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Solo "bombs", so what happens next?

Discussion in 'Solo' started by darth sputnik, May 28, 2018.

  1. Andrew Waples

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    Why do people who hate the TLJ keep going on with this narrative that they think Lucasfilm disrespects its fans? I fail to see how on film ruins a franchise...
     
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    'That is why you fail'
     
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    I posted the following at the JC:

    It's clear that Solo is complete box-office disaster. I predict that it will drop at least 75% next weekend and top-out under $180 mil dom and $300 mil worldwide..
    I've taken note that the box-office of the Star Wars franchise is much more fan-driven relative to the general public than other franchises.
    I'm completely convinced that Solo's box-office results are a direct backlash to TLJ, however I really liked Solo and loved TLJ.

    Here are some things that I think NEED to been done at LFL:
    - Immediately fire KK as head of LFL
    - Cancel the Rian Johnson Trilogy, since here would only be one film anyway as it will likely earn < $150 mil regardless of quality
    - DO NOT make a Boba-Fett movie
    - Begin production on an Obi-Wan/Vader film and heavily promote that fact instead of being hyper-secretive
    - Make absolutely sure that Luke comes back as a Force-ghost in EP:IX and does some spectacular stuff (and promote this concept as well)
    - Release all SW films during the Christmas season going forward

    This is a very incomplete list, but all I could think of off the top of my head.
     
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    Just watch some of the online videos like the one below

     
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  5. Andrew Waples

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    The best answer ever! Thanks for clearing that up.:rolleyes:
     
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    There are many contributing factors to Solo's opening 'under-performance' and it is a fairly complex scenario.

    There is obviously a band of the hardcore fan base that is boycotting the movie based upon their feeling toward TLJ and their perception of how LFM is misrepresenting the band. There are no doubt, fans like myself, who are neither consciously boycotting the movie but not are they chomping at the bit to see the movie or to spend money on it.

    The production difficulties could be cited as a contributing factor but I don't believe that the average Joe would a) either be aware of the issues or b) would be hugely deterred from seeing the movie even if they were.

    Solo was always going to be a comparative SW low-earner but I think LFM underestimated how uninterested the general movie-going public is in seeing a Han Solo movie without Harrison Ford and that indifference I would imagine is the largest contributing factor.
     
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    Well, i think Solo a ok movie, not great, but not bad, but the BO is bizarre, very bad numbers.

    Today, the Lucasfilm is on fire.

    Maybe no anthology movies in the future? I don´t know, but why Disney/Lucasfilm never says that the Obi Wan movie it´s in the works? Maybe waiting the BO of Solo, and from the start, it´s bad news.
     
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    I am 100% convinced that if JJ releases a trailer for the next film with Luke being Luke even in a flashback or potentially showing him in an epic battle possibly against the Knights of Ren

    The numbers will come back

    However if not the backlash will be greater than it has been since they released that hate crime of a movie TLJ
     
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    While I liked TLJ, I can totally agree that "fatigue" is BS. Like you said, MCU releases films like every freakin quarter, or so it seems lately, and NO ONE is talking about MCU fatigue. Even when some of those films (Dr. Strange and Ant-Man are examples) make under $250 million domestically. No one labeled those films "bomb."

    Personally, I think there is a desire to see Star Wars fail. You could put that down to the belief (rightly or wrongly) that the powers that be at LFL/Disney are pursuing a political agenda. KK needs to fix this by simply getting people to focus on making great stories. Whether or not a character is gay, straight, whatever. If it is mentioned in the story it needs to have a story purpose. It should further the story, not feel like it is attempting to forward some sort of PC agenda.

    In that vein, she needs to hire better writers and directors than Lord/Miller. IF, and I know its not official yet, she is hiring Mangold to write/direct a new film, that is a step in the right direction. RJ is a fantastic writer/director, but just like Lucas, perhaps he needs someone to tell him "No." If you are going to go against fan expectations, fine. But too much of that is going to just hurt the film, and I don't think anyone wants that. Again, I really liked the Last Jedi, but some of this is definitely blowback towards the way that film turned out. Even some old fans like myself whom I know are saying they didn't like it and are waiting to decide to see Solo.

    The good news is JJ is good at "resets" or reboots. Whatever you want to call it. I have no doubt he can deliver the type of film fans, in general, want. Even those who criticized TFA would probably admit it was what fans wanted. Maybe it was too much? Well, after the PT, that isn't a bad thing.

    Sorry for the long ramble.
     
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    Making around 100 million in the first few days of its domestic release isn't a bomb, but considering its budget and how much the other Star Wars films have made, its a huge disappointment and has to be a big wake up call for Disney.

    It also points to a worrying trend with the Star Wars audience, The Last Jedi made 700 million less then the Force Awakens, Solo (going by films that have simlar opening weekends) is likly to make at least 400 million less then Rogue One. Thats not a good trend, and has to be worrying for DIsney.

    I loved Solo, but even so I have to admit I've been a big critic of how Disney have handled the franchise, I think they have rushed the films and havn't treated the property with the care that I wanted them to when they first bought it.

    So i'm hoping this is a bit of wake up call for DIsney and the spend a bit of time getting the Lucas film house in order before going forward.
     
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    And most predictions tend to reflect personal outlook more than anything else!
    Yeah, anything could happen.
    Interest could fizzle out quickly or it could be a long slow burn.

    Many fans like me were in no particular hurry to catch Solo early.
    I watched it today with a diverse audience (under 8's to my left, over 50's to my right).
    It garnered a round of applause which is relatively rare in my part of the world.
     
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    Make better films! That always helps! :D
     
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    Sorry TLJ was critically acclaimed and Solo is considered a good film as well. We cant complain about the quality of the films. Sure some dont like TLJ. I still cant get my head around why. To me and many I know TLJ is fantastic and the best SW film since ESB. Solo was a blast.
     
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    First and foremost, I feel ashamed of what Star Wars have became.
    If anyone judge me for my words, let one first remember why..I feel ashamed , and I feel someone betrayed Star Wars.
    And I am not alone.
    They think they would fix it with next good film?
    Tragic truth is Solo is actually a solid film.
    Can they actually change the destiny anymore by another good Star Wars film?
    I am not sure.
    Its tragedy. And the blame in my eyes is on The Last Jedi, on its lefitst propaganda, on its identity ideology, forced SJW polithical messages above the story, and disrespect of Luke Skywalker.
     
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    I enjoyed Solo and consider TLJ to be on par with Episodes IV and V. ;)
     
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    I think people are forgetting what a Box Office bomb is. The Lone Ranger was a box office bomb. Solo getting a 100 million is a disappointment but not a bomb.
     
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    Star Wars has always been left leaning. There is no forced SJW political messages.

    OT - White human male dominated authoritarian empire against female lead rebellion. Female put into bondage uses chains of bondage to kill he who enslaves her.
    PT - Man who creates white human male dominated empire comes to power through authoritarian tactics. Female gives birth to children who will bring it down. Female leadership of rebellion starts to organize behind the scenes.
    ST- So no different.

    You take the left leaning politics out of Star Wars you have no Star Wars.
     
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    Not anymore, at least. When the marvel universe was kicking into first gear, there were a many conversations about how long until people are bored of comic book movies. When it became apparent, 10 years later, that people will continue to watch as long as the movies are good, that line of thought was dropped, as people realized the truth. So it's amusing that the same thought rears its head for Star Wars. People didn't seem to learn the lesson from before. There is no fatigue of a series. There is either the momentum of a good series that gets people excited to watch, or the stagnation of a poor series that makes people less willing to watch. If it's good people will continue to watch, is the basic and now apparently obvious lesson to be gleaned.
     
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    There will be a sequel, no questions asked. Solo (despite being way better than its buzz), is a “dirty test” and Disney knows it. Dirty meaning, it lost a lot steam after the production woes and TLJ backlash (which again, I liked a lot).
     
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