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Solo "bombs", so what happens next?

Discussion in 'Solo' started by darth sputnik, May 28, 2018.

  1. Mike

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    Right... or how about your moderators actually moderate.. we aren't talking about a post here or there mixed in with hundreds or thousands... It was pretty obvious from the moment I signed up (days withinn the opening of these forums mind you), that the PT section was left to it's own devices. It's why I don't post there.

    Edit: But let's worry about fan experiences now...:rolleyes:
     
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    Says the guy that never bothered bringing it to anyone's attention when he saw it, but complains about it years later...your advice is noted, we'll work on it for you. ;)
     
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  3. Mike

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    Yes, says me, whose job is not to moderate the boards for you. When it was perfectly clear bashing the PT was accepted in the forums because only now, "years later" is something done about bashing, but, not until the new movies are bashed.

    Thanks for your statements on fan inclusion though...

    Edit: and just to point out, I know plenty of PT fans that are completely unhappy with what's going on over at TFN forums and have been looking for a home to continue their discussions. I have tried to get them to come here, but, they won't because they see how the PT section is moderated. I got banned from the TFN forums for voicing my opinions on the double standards of no bashing the Disney Movies, but, active bashing of the PT was still on going. My name was Mikeximus...
     
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  4. Trevor

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    I do have a question; Does your shining attitude serve you well in other forums with their staff??
     
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  5. Mike

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    Right, because unless you bow down to authority, and kiss ass, because you have the authority, well, I am a problem for having a differing opinion...

    I have a question too, does you being a mod make you a better person or bigger fan than everyone else, that we have to just accept what you say as absolute truth? Are you unquestionable?
     
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  6. Trevor

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    Oh @Mike...you have to understand that I came here as a fan, and now even being Staff (which is volunteer work), I'm still a fan. HOWEVER with that, I have to run around this place, and moderate comments and content whenever I'm on, and possibly...POSSIBLY get in a few of my own comments on subjects.

    To answer your profound question; When it comes to the rules in this place, yes, they are unquestionable whether they are repeated by me or ANY member of the staff or moderators here...period, and you're only a problem because of your fast mouth and bad attitude.

    You apparently just can't be thankful or relieved that there's action being taken, but instead, you wanna talk smack to those doing it. Feel VERY free to go elsewhere...just an idea.
     
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    I have admin/moderated forums before. I know what's behind it, I know it's a thankless job. However, I would have never told someone that they are at fault if they didn't actively hit the "report" button. Especially when the people that are viewing these forums are responsible for any revenue that is generated from the ads that pop up, as little or as much as that may be...

    No I am a "problem" cause I dare voice an opinion that makes the site look bad, because I dare question a mod... Because I voiced an opinion that questions the sincerity (for lack of a better word) behind said rule. Only to be told than it's somehow my fault... lol...

    I actually don't have an issue with the no-bashing policy. My interest is in how it's going to be implemented. If it's like how TFN did it, well, than it will suck, because it was left up to the mods own personal feelings and opinions on what bashing was, and that often relied on their own personal feelings for the person, or their own personal feelings on the topic/movie that was being "bashed". To see how bashing is now a problem, where bashing has gone on in the PT section did draw my ire, as I am a huge PT fan. The fact that no-bashing is only implemented now, after this long, doesn't give me much hope.



    I do feel free to, and I do post elsewhere. Thanks for giving me your permission though...
     
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    @Mike, he's not saying you're at fault.

    He's saying that if you have a problem with someone and what they've done hasn't clearly been addressed by the mods, you have the option of reporting them.

    If you don't, and nothing becomes of the issue, you really can't complain too much since you were unwilling to do the bare minimum to help them help you.

    Have you considered the possibility that the Sequel trilogy might be more heavily moderated because it's a whole lot more relevant now?
     
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    I do appreciate your input @cawatrooper, and no there is no sarcasm there.

    As I said, I have admin'ed/mod'ed forums before. I know what goes into them. So I do understand that the heavier trafficked sections are going to be more heavily "policed". It understandable. However, I have been a visitor here since 2014, I wanted to participate in the PT section, but it was clear that. unless someone did something really egregious, than a lot of bashing was let go. This wasn't an issue of me having an issue with one person and a personal attack against myself. It was clear that the behavior was allowed. No need to hit the "report" button if the overall behavior is allowed.

    As i said, I know plenty of PT fans that would love to get away from or have stopped posting at TFN. I am, or have been,active in skype discussions, PT facebook pages, other forums...I have tried getting them to post here, and they won't.

    edit: and yes, when a mod tells someone that they should have reported it, than they are suggesting that, at least in part, the person as at fault. As I said, the overall culture in the PT forums has been the way it's been since these forums opened. No need to report what was obviously allowed. The only reason why it has died down, is because the ST has taken the brunt of it...
     
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    Oh no, I never said that you were at fault for not reporting them, but that feature is there for you to use...to bring it to someone's attention, but you choose not to....so you can complain.

    Somehow I don't see the validity of revenue and ads....but whatever.

    Your "opinion" was nothing but sarcasm, and productive in ZERO ways...and again you fall back to you "being at fault"...sounds like a personal issue.


    It's being implemented with a series of escalating warnings, that if ignored, result in a door slamming behind you...permanently, and those decisions are not made by a singular person, but by a committee, so you'll never have to worry about getting tossed out based on my personal feelings for you...there is a vote.

    It was maybe more of a "suggestion". ;)
     
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    It's pretty clear that you are insinuating that I am at fault, at least to some degree, because I didn't hit the little button...
    As you said:


    Right, I gave an opinion on a rule... Is there a rule that says my opinion has to be void of sarcasm, and match your level of productivity? If there is, I will have an opinion on that as well... Oh, and BTW, it takes 2 to tango my friend. You didn't have to reply to my unproductive, sarcastic post, with your own , unproductive, sarcastic posts...


    Is this where I hit the "report" button for a personal insult against me?




    That may have been important information to share, thank you for sharing now....
     
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    I thought Solo was the most tightly-plotted of all the Disney movies. It's not great, but it didn't have the ridiculousness of TFA or TLJ--more death stars, flying Leia, bombers in space, spontaneous inexplicable crevices, etc. But, in answer to your question, my answer would be "nothing new". I will still see IX, even if I hear it stinks. IX will still be made by Abrams, who, let's face it, had only a vague notion of where he was headed when he wrote TFA. I doubt he will be able to get the Sequel Trilogy to a satisfying conclusion. Did "Lost" have a satisfying ending? "Fresh Prince"? (One of the Star Treks kind of did IMHO.) The lesson from all this mess ought to be: Hire good writers, take your time, get it right, know where the story is headed. Instead, the mantra is: Get the darn script done, we can fix most of the errors in post-production and the ticket-buyers are already committed anyway. Long-term, I think the consequence of The Sequel Trilogy might be this: The people who have so much invested in the series and have begun to look at Yoda as a bone fide yogi and Jediism as a real religion will wake up and understand this is just capitalism and just a movie. It holds no more truth than ayahuasca. But at least you don't puke. As for the fate of other one-offs like Solo, if Disney makes a good one, people will go see it. It's Expanded Universe redux. We'll forget the crap and hope the next one's great.
     
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    So back to Solo... it looks like we continue to inch closer and closer to accepting that TLJ potentially damaged SOLO Box Office sales

    https://www.cnet.com/news/is-last-jedi-making-star-wars-fans-skip-solo-ron-howard-responds/

    It's interesting (and probably expected of a Hollywood veteran such as Ron Howard) that TLJ is not actually mentioned by Howard or others, only that they should give SOLO a chance and that they would enjoy the movie.

    What's notably missing (in my mind's eye) is a spirited defense of TLJ. Since Howard had nothing to do with the movie, you could argue he had no reason to defend TLJ (even tacitly) but in the link provided, no one:

    1. Says they think TLJ was great/good (or defends it)
    2. Says that there was or wasn't a backlash
    3. Assigns blame for the under performance

    And to me that represents a shift in the posture of employees/contractors with LFL and Disney
     
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    I think it can only be for everyone's benefit (LFL/Disney/the fans) if the people making these movies finally (politely) acknowledge the fact that they are turning off a large portion of potential customers in one way or another. It still makes no sense to me that a work of monumental, pop-culture fiction would have to adopt an attitude where pleasing some huge part of the fanbase came at the expense of pleasing another huge part of the fanbase. The phrase "you can't please everyone" is true. But the phrase "you can't please most people" is false.
     
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    If there has been a shift in the posture of the people working over at LFL, then it's good. Of course, only time will tell. Perhaps, as far as Ron is concerned, it's easier for him to not defend TLJ Let's face it, he is close to George Lucas, and since a conscious decision was made to not go down the path Lucas outlined, he has no need to defend RJ and his film. Heck, Howard had nothing to do with that. He was just brought in to try and salvage what he could from Solo.

    They don't need to make the films I would have made. But they do need to do what KK promised to do when she took over: and that is to treat the films and the characters with respect. They also need to treat the fans with respect. Even the ones who are critical of them. Ignore the idiots out there. The ones who have valid criticisms, don't simply dismiss as racist/sexist idiots who are so stupid they simply don't get it. Crapping on a large percentage of the fan base makes them all look like arrogant jerks like Chuck Wendig, and that's not a good place to be.

    So hopefully they learn from past mistakes, stop making PREQUEL films, and move forward with ones which have well written and well developed characters.
     
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    I to have been a mod a couple forums and an admin at another. While I think your frustration is understood, we need to remember on the larger forums, keeping an eye on every forum and thread can be challenging. Its a volunteer job for the mods and they each come in as their life allows them. It helps when, we the members, report when we feel there has been an infraction of the rules so they can look into it. It helps everyone.
     
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    For me, this isn't about whether a SW movie is a prequel or a sequel or whatever. I don't care. Lucasfilm has already tried moving forward with the Sequel Trilogy. Granted, the two movies have their fans. But I'm not one of them. I think they suck. The only two current Lucasfilm movies that I like so far are the two stand alones - "ROGUE ONE" and "SOLO". And I like both of them, because I liked the stories. I don't like the story for the Sequel Trilogy right now.

    If Lucasfilm plans to do another SW film set in the future, fine. But I hope they will create one that is a major improvement over "THE FORCE AWAKENS" and "THE LAST JEDI".

    I've already seen "SOLO" twice. And it would be nice if I find the chance to see it again before it leaves the movie theaters. If I don't see it for a third time, I look forward to buying my DVD copy of the film. That's how I plan to move forward.
     
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    In my town, the Solo sessions for this week slow down a lot, even Avengers and Deadpool have a good number of sessions.
     
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    still on four screens at my theatre (including 3D IMAX, which they don't typically waste on just anything).
    i'm seeing it tonight. i expect a thin crowd, but i guess we'll see! : D
     
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    still on 2 screens at my local Cineworld.. 2d and 3d

    enjoy Star Wars tonight !! save us some popcorn :D
     
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