Solo "bombs", so what happens next?

With monday, the movie did 103 million in 4 days
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/

For normal movies, it´s good, for SW, it´s not good, let´s see the word of mouth these next days.

 

I am not assuming anything. I am stating what is - and isn't - in the movies themselves. As I mentioned in my post (in a part you conveniently omitted) I am not going to debate anything and everything Lucas may have said at one time on the matter about "the original vision."

The fact that you have to rely on external material and external statements really just proves the point I am making. If you look exclusively at the movies themselves, you have to stretch to find comparisons to Vietnam, whereas you get slapped in the face left and right with comparisons to WW2.

Maybe if he called those guys in white armor "V-C" you'd have a point. But he didn't; he called them "stormtroopers."

 

Well I suppose that's true, it's just a shame that it's SOLO taking the hit. If fan's disliked TLJ so much that they feel the need to boycott, why not leave it for Rian Johnson's next Star Wars film and get behind the films written and directed by others.

 

Because Ep.IX and RJ's next movie are years away, yet the "fans" need to do something now. The Youtube channels need subscribers and likes now. Because, by the time Ep.IX comes out, the TLJ anger would die down.

 

Again where is the proof? Lucasfilm doesn't have a whiteboard written in red stating: "WE MUST DISRESPECT THE FANS! THAT ARE NUMBER ONE GOAL!" You just simply hate a movie and use this as a excuse. If they truly disrespected the fans they wouldn't have used

Spoiler

Darth Maul in Solo. They essentially say you better have watched The Clone Wars, cause otherwise look it up.

 

Solo respects the fans and is a solid movie. exit pools give it A- which means unperfect but good and fun film.

Reasons for Disappointing box office results of Solo are elswehere and not in Solo film.

It is on Disney to find real cause. And no it is not fatigue. fatigue can be healed by rest and Aspirin . Star Wars need infusions in emergency department, and maybe even surgery.

 

Unfortunately, LSL gave us bitter taste and division from once called FANS to fans and "fans" ,and this to debate about instead about Star Wars greatness.
Imagine, 1.5 years of debating about worry will ep IX fix the things.Fans would hope, "fans" would worry, or vice-versa...
And again, if fans are to blame for anything, and would be blamed for anything of this in the next 1.5 years, than Star Wars is facing doom in ep IX whatever be the quality of ep IX.
So everyone who blames fans, segregates and separates people to real fans, and" that " "fans", is lamenting death sentence, a swan song to Star Wars.
So there should be already enough of Star Wars real fans and "that fans" , not forsake of us, but of our beloved Star Wars.
And there should be now clear to anyone with reason, that if ep IX will not be made by taking care of feelings of the all fans,and the fans reperesent the heartbeat of entire world's stance towards Star Wars, ep. IX. will meet its destiny.

 

Maybe a little off-topic but I keep hearing the term "SJW" used and I'm unfamiliar with the term in my country.
What do people mean when they refer to the "SJW agenda" of the ST?

Every Star Wars story is literally about warriors fighting for social justice.
Is this considered a bad thing by those who use the term?

Or are people implying the filmmakers are pretending a social justice agenda for personal validation?
If so isn't Hollywood all about profiting from make-believe stories about quests for justice?
How is this "SJ pretender position" remarkable within an industry predicated on pretending?

I see the filmmakers providing a canvas painted with broad strokes and allowing us to read into it what we will.
Maybe the filmmakers are even encouraging us to think instead of telling us how to think.

SW seems to me more about power generally than politics specifically.
I agree with your claim about SW not being left vs right.
I see it more as top vs bottom and the dangers inherent when centralizing/exercising power-over (whether Jedi or Emperor).

There may be some basic fairy tale moralizing but the stories also manage to present a plurality of views from multiple characters and factions.
Viewers can chose to identify with some characters/ideologies or be offended by others.
The ST films in particular actually seem a lot more ambiguous to me than the OT in many ways and can sustain multiple readings.

The OT could just as readily be seen as a political slap in the face depending on your point of view and sensitivities.
You interpret the Canto Bight scene as a political slap in the face but there are other readings.

Perhaps the filmmakers choose to make didactic moral messages that were superfluous to the plot...
or
Maybe some characters just formed an alliance due to a common enemy and utilized their environment to facilitate their escape.

Perhaps Canto Bight is a heady political statement criticizing capitalism, the corruption of wealth, and the amorality of weapon makers...
or
Maybe some characters just encounter a cantina full of scum, villainy, opportunists, and survivors from all sides and all factions and learn there's more than appears going on...





Every character who chose to be on Canto Bight (protagonists included) was partially complicit or dependent on the Star War for their current position.
Every character present (protagonists included) was willing on some level to undertake violent or ethically problematic actions when it suited their interests.

I don't really think Canto Bight was about presenting a political challenge to the audience but presenting complexity and ambiguity to demonstrate the growth of a character.
The "lesson" was another awakening of refined sight for Finn, not partisan politics for the audience.

 

Star Wars has lost its specialness due to over exposure and fan fatigue. It has become too regular, less rare, with merchandise always present in the stores since 2015.

A long time ago in the OT and PT trilogies, Star Wars was a rare and anticipated thing, appearing at three year intervals between each film of each trilogy. People had to wait a long time, a bit like the World Cup, or the Olympics at four year intervals. These are not annual events and they are very much looked forward to than other sports events. Ask yourself this question, if the Olympics or the World Cup were every year, would they also not lose their specialness?The trouble with the new films is that they are now too regular, and have now evolved into something which looks like Star Wars, but does not feel like Star Wars.

We have had four new Star Wars films in three years, Disney still do not get or understand the Star Wars thing and are treating them like those dreadful superhero films that are killing cinema and which I despise. Quantity over quality, as more is better, right? Wrong.

Their first Star Wars film, TFA: a film which is basically ANH in disguise, Rogue One explained things that didn't need to be explained as it was better done with the imagination and with the official Radio Plays Dramas. TLJ was just an extremely bad film (storywise) and threw out all the rules of Star Wars just to make a brave bold impact and statement by its new creators about non Star Wars issues. Solo was another origin film like Rogue One, which nobody asked for but which we got anyway, most of the world was "meh" to it and didnt buy tickets. If that is not fatigue, then I do not know what is.

So yes, there is a Star Wars fan fatigue because of the constant over exposure of new films.

 

"SJW" as in currently stands in the West/USA are a)third-wave feminists, b) LGBT supporters, c)pro-immigrant, pro-diversity groups and pro-racial minority groups.
That's the picture I've got, but I am not from a Western country myself.

"Doesn't feel like Star Wars" isn't a new thing. That's what a lot of fans complained about in the Prequels. And problem is, that now's not the 80s, so movies won'f feel the same no matter what they do.

 

Harrison Ford wanted to kill off your childhood hero since 1980 and nobody planned to kill off Leia.

 

My hopes: "We are sending in the Ewoks to purge out Kathleen Kennedy and other members of her evil witches coven".

 

OK I will bite. What are the horrible political messages in Canto Bight. Lets see a conversation where people get all the money. Oh how terrible it is because the sell arms. Yes lets get mad because arms dealers are made to look unsavory. Oh they also show a glimpse of animals getting whipped to run faster and then a glimpse of scarring. Oh and finally they show some kids in slavery. Oh again how this hurts the more sensitive types. Please that offends?

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So a female lead hero, implying slavery is bad, implying profiting off of war is bad, having a black stormtrooper is bad, having asians and women as characters are bad. Well not bad, they just alienate entire groups of people. The ST didnt have some sort of monologue about any particular topic. If you were offended by the character choices of sex, color, etc. then that isnt Star Wars, Kathleen Kennedy, Rian Johnson, JJ Abrams or any one else involved that is on you. After all this is what the people claiming is wrong with the so called Star Wars SJW agenda. They are complaining about characters sex, about the characters race, etc. That is on them. In other words they are loosing a battle to inclusion and equality and they dont like it. They want a white male dominated world and anything that remotely shows something different they are offended by.

 

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Amen: that's absolutelly true.

But the very frustrating thing to me personally, is that it looks like everything has been turned into a fight
between liberals or "SJW " (as their opponets would call them) and - I suppose - Trump supporters.
I mean at least in the pubblic eye.
But that is how not to have a fair debate.

People all over the world is debating TLJ, LF and Disney and those who have "problems" are not using the words "SJW" nor
pointing something equivalent as the main issue or as the issue that may "explain" or "cause" the others.

Because that’s not the point at all.
It is only if you are an American citizen that supports Trump. I guess.

In fact... I am a liberal. I even dare to say that I am a feminist.
But I’m not a US citizens, I'm not into their political debate and in all honesty,
if we really have to go into politics, then I find curious that no liberal in US seems to have problems with TLJ.

Not that each and everyone should have. Of course not.

But since when - for instance - obeying authorities in blind trust has become a liberal motto?
Is Rey a feminist heroine, for real?
I highly doubt.
A woman may be the protagonist (and I doubt she is the real protagonist of TLJ) in a movie that is not a feminist movie, as cinema history proves.
Because it’s a matter of story wise, not of supernatural powers.

Not to mention.. Reylo.
Like it. But feminist?
I guess there are plenty of reasons to ask that question (if Reylo and a feminist heroine do not contradict one another),
no matter what the answer each and every liberal may give.

I can go on...
Personally, I've always believed that promoting diversity is not "only" to give roles to people of different
cultures or ethnicities. It also has a lot to do with those roles and how much they fit or not some stereotypes.

As an italian, when I watch something like Captain Corelli's Mandolin (or things like that) I cannot help but notice
a full list of stereotypes taking shape. Pizza and mandolino all the way....

So, I don't know because I don't like to speak for other people, but using a Latino actor to play the role
of an hotheaded 34 man... can be seen as two stereotypes in a row?
Or to use the male black lead for a side plot and a comic relief, it's that promoting diversity in the best possible way?
Using a female actress to play a fangirl, is that fine only because she's also asian?

Not having one single gay relationship in one of the latest 4 movies LF has produced, is that so liberal that may be called SJW agenda in action?
If you really want to promote LGBT reasons... I'm with you.
But do it on screen not on Twitter.
And since you've got plenty of chances to create new characters, maybe using them could be a
better idea than randomly speaking of a pansexual Lando. I believe.

If there are SJW ar LF... sorry, but from this irrelevant Italian and liberal woman point of view they have made a poor job.

Not that each and every liberal has to agree with me.
But how is it possible that no one (no one) of them is rising at least one (one) of those questions?
In the public eye, I mean.

I suppose that's because how vocal this SJW thing has become.
So especially those people with a public reputation are afraid to be sided next to them just because they’re criticizing the movie.
It’s become far too easy. Mainly, thanx to those speaking of a SJW agenda as "the" problem.

I don’t see any other reason.

That said, I wish this doesn't sound inappropriate.
It's not meant to offend or fight anyone and I really hope I have not.
The idea was only to share another... point of view.
If I offended someone, or if I went to far, then I'm sorry.
And of course, it that's the case, dear mods, feel free to do whatever you want.
I'll understand.
Really.

 

Terrible numbers of Han Solo here in Brazil


Deadpool here stays at number 1, the BO (in reais, not dollars) For Avengers is incredible for Brazil.

 

You got some unfair ratings there. This movie has bombed, and I'd be surprised if it stays in theatres. A film that cost 400 million to make (supposedly) can't even make a quarter back its first week. That is a bomb. Meanhwhile the fandom is told we are just tired of Star Wars; even now, they refuse to face reality. They have to start making the movies for the fans or what will become of Star Wars? Is the boycott a real thing? How can a Star Wars film perform so poorly? How on earth are Star Wars fans "fatigued" with Star Wars? Let the negative ratings come, I don't care, there is a problem and it'll just get worse.

 

Solo is a movie made for the fans. TFA and R1 were movies made for the fans. Nobody is ever going to make movies that fans have imagined in their heads.

 

Fans didn't want a Solo movie, the numbers kind of speak for themselves. Your Star Wars fan who is going to see the film 5,6,7 times in one day is missing in action. I haven't seen it, and don't really feel the need to. It's just too much Star Wars though, that's the problem here.