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Spoiler Rumours of Snoke's Backstory From TLJ Novel

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Imbrie, Feb 28, 2018.

  1. zazeron

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    palpatine was a weaker character than vader...and most of vaders backstory was revealed to us before the trilogy ended with the extra details

     
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    His backstory needs explaining. And I think there needs to be some brief background provided in IX somehow.

    I don’t think the “Palpatine didn’t have a backstory in the OT” explanation works. When the OT was made we hadn’t witnessed what had come before. Not so with Snoke. We know what occurred in the galaxy for a long time before he came on the scene. And considering his power, knowledge, ambition and then ascension - we need a good reason for why he suddenly came out of the blue (if indeed that is what happened *cough* Plagueis *cough*).
     
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    Only because you'e been told that. He was without a doubt not set up in TFA as a contrived fuller villain.
     
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    It seems like Lucasfilm has kind of already started to explain Snoke/Attendants for those who care. Since he's from the Unknown Regions we haven't "seen what has come before" in regards to the Attendants. Maybe the new animated series will explore it further. In the grand scheme of things Snoke is a minor character to this story. Plus, he's dead. His past is only interesting if the Attendants strike back.
     
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    Indeed. But I think they could briefly allude to this in IX. Even a throwaway line about the UR and how it's affairs don't coincide with the inner galaxy, or something? Just so we are given a reasonable explanation for where Snoke came from and why he hadn't interfered previously. I think just leaving it completely unexplained when he was the reason behind the FO rising to power and Kylo turning, would be a bit weak. Not a deal breaker. Not the end of the world. It wouldn't impact the films going forward. It would just help and also set a few minds at rest.

    Or just make him Plagueis so I can gloat.
     
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    Except we’re 8 episodes in. So a little context goes a long way to making this story feel cohesive, instead of just remixing the OT and playing variations. the world in this new trilogy is very off.
     
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    We're 8 episodes in... It's wise to remember these trilogies are designed to be watched independently. That's why my mother in law who never watched the other films understands what's going on. Once I start explaining the other films she gets lost.
    Based on the TLJ novel leaks we're getting some backstory. Looks like Plagueis is officially done.
     
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    just spit-balling here, but maybe the ST and any related stories aren't finished coming out yet and we get more on the topic of Snoke, among other story threads.
     
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    And if we don't, we can just pretend he's like the Emperor in the OT!
     
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    i've already done like 70+ versions of the ST with my action figures, yo.

    in one version, every character is a clone of Palpatine, even Luke and Leia. it's dope af.
     
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    being dead fits with Plagueis too ;)
     
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    It’s also ironic....wait..
     
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    It’s also wise to remember that while each trilogy is independent, there is a natural flow. The prequels, for all their many flaws, eventually progressed into the conflict of the original trilogy.

    The world building in this new trilogy is very off and not well handled.

    The prequels were about a democracy becoming a dictatorship, the OT was about human growth and destroying the empire.

    Now the sequel trilogy is about.....the empire vs rebels again, with no clear context. Just vague gloss overs.
     
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    Yes, this is how I see it.

    The Original Trilogy had nothing before it, in terms of Star Wars content, and, as such, there was neither preexisting knowledge nor story-based expectations.

    It could have gone anywhere, become anything, and it went on to develop the canon Star Wars universe.

    The Original Trilogy created in-film Star Wars history, which went on to define everything, from the Force to the Jedi and the Empire to the Rebellion.

    Everything, from that point on, in terms of the saga films, storywise, then runs relative to the Original Trilogy. Even Rogue One and Solo share in that relationship and benefit from that preexisting storyline.

    Going into The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi with foreknowledge of the Original and Sequel Trilogy did mean there would be preexisting knowledge and the relative spectrum of story-based theories and expectations.

    This is why I continue to respect the constructive criticisms and dissenting voices regarding TLJ: so many fans understandably carried varying yet substantial degrees of Star Wars foreknowledge with them into the theaters, along with their personal experiences, preferences, and expectations.

    That said, I think Snoke's entrance into the story, at this point, after all we know has transpired, cannot satisfactorily remain a casual thing or be considered relatively inconsequential or something not worthy of more development.

    So I remain hopeful we would get a more complete back-story for Snoke, who essentially helped devastate Luke, Han and Leia, and the galaxy. I personally think our Original Trilogy heroes deserve at least that much.
     
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    I agree. And it doesn't have to be some long exposition or detailed analysis of what happened. A line here or there saying where he came from and what he did would suffice. It would even perhaps set up the new trilogies (if they explain the UR in a way that underlines how it is separate from the galaxy and that things can happen there which don't impact upon the known galaxy). I still believe that making Snoke to be Plagueis would solve a lot of problems and answer a lot of questions quickly and painlessly. And I think it would add to the Skywalker saga story. However, this seems unlikely. But if they can provide a brief explanation for Snoke in the Skywalker saga films and then maybe even introduce him in some way in any future stories for those who want to know more, I'm fine with that.

    Again, his death and continued mysterious origins didn't impact TLJ for me. But personally, I just feel that an explanation somewhere along the line would be appropriate.
     
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    Darth Bane was never a character in a Star Wars movie.
     
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    Or Vader's backstory for that matter. That whole Obi-Wan vs Vader fight mustive been confusing as hell, beyond the good vs evil concept. Also, we may (emphasis on MAY) be getting a Snoke prequel. It turns out him having no backstory was planned, so they can do a movie...I'm not sure how I should feel about that. It's certainly not a new thing in Hollywood to do, but I don't know if we really need a Snoke backstory.
    http://m.ign.com/articles/2018/03/0...kept-mysterious-to-allow-for-possible-prequel
     
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    But the whole Rule of Two that Yoda mysteriously and ominously mentions, that was. They also explained more things about everyone's background, such as Qui'Gon's centuries old master calling Qui'Gon his finest pupil in lightsaber combat (obviously retconned). Fact is the novel usually has more info than the movie. It's the strength of the medium. You have a lot more room for exposition.
     
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