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(SPOILERS) Discussion About JJ's Direction for the Original Characters

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by JackShephard23, Dec 17, 2015.

  1. JackShephard23

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    So this has really been bothering me (probably way more than it should). I am very surprised there isn't more uproar about how JJ pretty much disregarded the original trilogy. He took an ICONIC couple and dismantled them. So who cares now about the infamous "I Know" scene....now that we know of their fate, it means nothing because they have a kid, the kid turns bad, they break up, the kid kills the dad. Making Han's existence meaningless. Making Han & Leia's iconic relationship meaningless.

    And to me, it seems like an enormous waste to choose not to have Luke Leia and Han in at least one scene together. I would have loved to see that scene. I know JJ wanted this trilogy to be dark and all but he may have went a little too far. This may as well be a totally different movie than Star Wars because although he kind of returned Han to his scoundrel roots, he totally wiped out the friendship between the three originals. I don't know, as I said, this bothers me ALOT and even more after i watched Empire again.

    Am I alone on this? Am I wrong to think that the original trilogy isn't about the friendship and relationship of the characters? And then after Kylo turns bad, Luke gets so upset that he leaves? That doesn't sound like him to me. Why not regroup and figure out how to stop him? Instead they all go their separate ways. And i mean at LEAST make Han's death mean something...be a heroic death or something...rather than him trying to get his son back to the light after all he's done. It was just used as a stepping stone to make Kylo the big baddie and for Harrison to not be in any more movies. I would have much rathered not see him in the movie at all and just mention him. Than to see him go like that.

    OR make it where he survives so theres was a chance of him coming back. Like when he was frozen. Have Kylo holding him while hes in a coma or something and Luke & Rey come to the rescue? I don't know.

    For me, unfortunately I hate to say it, but star wars is kind of ruined for me now because of how much I admired the relationship of the characters. I can't be the only one can I?
     
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    I imagine their is a lot more to Luke's departure than we are privy to at this time. You're right, in that it does not stand to reason that Luke Skywalker would abandon everything he stands for when faced with hard choices. Of all the returning characters, it seemed that Luke Skywalker's character will have the biggest effect on the story. We don't know where Han and Leia have been for the last 30 years, or what they have been doing. What we do know, is that they have a son who turned to the Dark Side, which in turn tore apart the family and their friendships, forcing them all into different roles. I was a little disappointed how non-important the characters of Leia, Chewbacca, and Han felt. They do little to advance the story, and were mostly just there for fan service, with the exception of Kylo Ren fulfilling his path to the Dark Side through the murder of Han Solo.
     
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    Exactly! That's what I'm saying, they were there for just fan service (Han at least)...And that was such a wasted opportunity. Out of all outcomes for these beloved characters, this is what they came up with?
     
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    While I can kind of see where you're coming from, this isn't the original trilogy.

    Also, and I've said this too many times, this is the first part of a three part story! You are meant to have questions unanswered, otherwise it would be a pretty poor first act.
     
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    Yes I understand its not the original trilogy...but if you are bringing characters from the original back for these movies, have them mean something. And not just bring them back just because we all wanted them back. They don't even resemble their characters. They may as well be dopplegangers.
     
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    Why should they be exactly the same as they were before? 30 years have passed, and you have no idea what has happened. If Han was still the same wise cracking smuggler he previously was, it wouldn't work anywhere near as well.

    Also, have them mean something? You have seen the film, right?
     
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    That's true.. The most unfortunate for me, was Chewbacca, who is seemingly emasculated. From regularly having his weapon taken out of his hands in battle, to being rendered ineffective for the majority of the film, due to a blaster wound. This is Chewbacca. Chew-effing-bacca. I expected to see a little more hustle, and a little more character come out of our beloved wookie. After all, he is the only character from the original trilogy who looks younger.
     
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    I thought they overused Han and underused Leia. Did anyone get the feeling that Ford was basically ROTJ solo rather than the cooler ANH/ESB solo? There weren't any iconic moments to solo in this. He was played for laughs. His only decent scene acting wise was his confrontation with Kylo. That was beautifully handled.
     
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    You have every right to think that . However, you have to look at TFA as us coming back to the galaxy In a random moment in their lives . JJ and all mapped out what would realistically happen over time from a political and familial standpoint .That led them to the thinking of where we meet our characters in real-time after 30-something years and then it was up to the story group to fill in the rest .
     
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    I just don't see why Han and Leia had to be separated. It didn't really serve any story purpose - he could have still been off on his own mission while Leia led the Resistance and their scenes could still have conflict over what to do about Ben. I was hoping that there at least would be a reconciliation before he dies, but we don't even get that.

    I mean, yes it's realistic a couple would split after having their son turn into a psychopath, but "realistically" Leia should be catonic and suicidal after her entire home planet gets blown up not exchanging witty banter with her rescuers and then smiling happily at the end of the movie.

    And poor Han, he turned his life around, found happiness with Leia and having a family, then his family falls apart and he lives a lonely life for 15 years then gets brutally murdered by his son. Rather dark ending for a hero. If they hadn't split him and Leia up, at least he could have had some happiness in his final years.
     
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    Quill...
    No I have not seen the movie and probably won't because I can't bring myself to watch Han Solo die for no reason. And I'm not saying they should be exactly the same. Yes, 30 years has passed and all that...but this isn't real life, so why do these awesome characters have to suddenly be put into a real life scenario? Who wants to see Han Solo and Leia not together?? To have NO interaction with Luke... We watched the three of them form an amazing bond during the original trilogy... and this movie showed not even a faint existence of that bond. Like i said, i'm more upset that JJ wasted an opportunity here.

    Cakewalk...
    I couldn't have said it better myself...i 100% wholeheartedly agree with everything you stated.
     
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    I think they stayed true to Han and Lea's characters. They still love each over, but can't be together. And it isn't just about the son.
     
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    Because, PRACTICAL EFFECTS :p
     
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    How is that staying true? How are those two characters, the same as these?


    The chemistry they had is totally lost here. And that is a very sad thing in my opinion. There was so much more JJ could have done with these characters.
     
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    Well, that explains it.

    You can't say it was for no reason without actually seeing it. You make claims that the film doesn't do it without even seeing it.

    Sorry, but criticising a film without even seeing it is a bit of a dick move and to me makes your opinion a bit void. If you do see the film and say the same thing, that's great, at least you have been able to judge it properly.
     
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    For me, they didn't need to explain why Leia and Han were not together anymore. It was pretty obvious.
     
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    Quill, I have all but seen it...I saw pictures, and read the script of the scene....doesn't matter if i watch the scene (which i can't bring myself to do)...there is no way that death means something....han wouldn't be that stupid than to think his son could be redeemed at that point....Han was reckless at times in the OT yes, but not THAT reckless to go up to someone with a lightsaber...son or not

    It was basically like, "okay, see ya Han, nice knowing you. Thanks for being in the movie."
     
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    Han and Leia are powerful individuals. They have different paths and opinions on many levels. So, at the end, I can except that they're not together.
    Yet there is love.
    I don't know what else to say.
     
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    I 'll say it again, to say his death means nothing is just ridiculous, the fact you haven't seen the film really shows.

    The fact you think a character would be the same 30 years later, when you find out what said characters have apparently gone through, is just as ridiculous.


    You're right, it isn't real life. But it is how you develop characters. Is Han the same man he was in Mos Eisley as he is celebrating on Endor? No, his character has developed loads in the three films.


    I don't know what else to say to you as you seem to be too stuck into this mindset that it doesn't work without even seeing the damn film.
     
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    I think it was implied that they WOULD have been together if it weren't for their son turning dark though. After all, it seems like they did have 15 or so happy years together before the Jedi massacre.
     
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