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SPECULATION Spring Cleaning: Figuring out TFA by debunking "Spoilerbirds"

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by MarsPhoenix, Mar 12, 2015.

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  1. MarsPhoenix

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    Ok...

    I might be too lazy to do this guys... I will try...

    Here's my plan with this thread... And mods, feel free to lock is unnecessary.

    We have been "spoiled" big time in the last months by frauds.

    Even if there is a slight chance their imagination might bull's eye an actual fact from TFA, knowing it was made up, mathematically, it can be dismissed...

    My plan, first, is, let's make a list of all frauds (I know the word is harsh)
    Secondly: let´s sum the "spoilers" we were granted with in a list
    Tercio: let´s conclude with what TFA won't be.

    I personally think it's a mess that needs to be cleaned up, for the sake of everyone, and new members.

    At the end, we might, like Sherlock Holmes, see more clearly :) and find TFA's mysteries.

    I suggest that because I am kind of lost of what had been dismissed as fraud and what is still fresh

    (Remember, this is based on taking for granted that Frauds posted false information, they might have guessed some things right... more to come)

    ****UPDATED! WITH TRAILER #2

    Version 8.0



    REY
    - Rey is played by Daisy Ridley
    - Rey's true identity is not revealed until late in the movie
    - Rey and Max Von Sydow are not related one to the other
    - Rey is the main character, not a damsel in distress
    - Rey is fine and alive at the end of TFA
    - Rey has no romance with Poe in TFA
    - Rey ends up with BB-8 at the end of the movie
    - The planet Rey is on is Jakku
    - Rey and Finn steal the Millenium Falcon to escape the desert planet
    - Rey is from Skywalker Lineage.

    FINN
    - Finn is played by John Boyega
    - Finn will not become Luke's apprentice
    - Finn is NOT Force sensitive
    - No love drama between Lupita and John Boyega's characters
    - Finn is not related to Leonis from Rebels or Lando from the OT
    - Finn has a friend that dies at the start of the movie
    - Finn gets punished for disobeying an order early in the film
    - Finn and Poe escapes Kylo Ren and foes early in the film they then split
    - Rey and Finn steal the Millenium Falcon to escape the desert planet

    POE
    - Poe is Played by Oscar Isaac
    - Poe has no romance with Rey
    - Poe has a significant role in the movie
    - BB-8 belongs to Poe at the start of the movie
    - Poe not related to OT character
    - Finn and Poe escapes Kylo Ren and foes early in the film they then split
    - Poe survives the movie

    KYLO REN
    - Kylo Ren is played by Adam Driver
    - No fight with Luke Skywalker
    - Kylo Ren's saber is not an unstable one
    - Kylo is alive at the end of TFA
    - Kylo is not after Luke Skywalker
    - Kylo Ren is not related to Count Dooku
    - Kylo Ren is Han Solo's son and Rey's brother
    - Kylo Ren kills his father
    - Kylo Ren kills Max Von Sydow's character
    - Kylo Ren Tortures Poe at the beginning of the movie
    - Kylo Ren has Darth Vader's mask in his possession early in the movie

    LUKE SKYWALKER
    - Luke won't face Kylo Ren
    - Luke has no known alive apprentice
    - There is no NEW JEDI ORDER when Luke is found
    - Luke is no longer with R2D2 (He leaves him behind)

    LEIA ORGANA
    - Leia is fine and not crippled
    - Leia is not going crazy, she's sain
    - Leia is no longer with Han when the movie starts
    - Leia is with C3P0 when we first see her
    - Leia is Poe's superior
    - Leia gets Luke's saber in her possession at some point in the movie (Given by "Rose")

    HAN SOLO, CHEWBACCA & THE MILLENNIUM FALCON
    - Han and Chewie are not piloting the Falcon escaping the Desert Planet
    - Chewbacca has his two arms OKAY
    - Han dies in TFA killed by Kylo Ren
    - Han is no longer with Leia when the movie starts
    - Chewbacca gets wounded early in the film
    - The Falcon crashes at some point but is repaired
    - Han & Chewie will regain possession of The Falcon at some point.

    C3P0, R2D2 & BB-8
    - R2 and C3P0 are seperated when TFA begins
    - C3P0 is with Leia at the beginning of TFA
    - R2 is no longer with Luke
    - C3P0 is not with Domnhall Gleeson's character
    - BB-8 is Poe's droid at the start of the movie
    - BB-8 hides The MacGuffin
    - BB-8 ends up being Rey's droid

    OTHER ORIGINAL TRILOGY CHARACTERS
    - Boba Fett is NOT in the movie
    - Nien Nunb is NOT in the movie
    - Lando is nowhere in TFA

    LUPITA NYONG'O
    - Lupita Nyong'o plays "Rose"
    - No love drama between Lupita and John Boyega's characters
    - Her character is not on Tattooine.
    - Rose gives Leia Luke's lightsaber

    DOMNHALL GLEESON
    - Domnhall Gleeson is not Rey's love interest
    - Domnhall Gleeson is not a scoundrel, smuggler.
    - Domnhall Gleeson plays a BADDIE
    - Domnhall Gleeson plays an Imperial General
    - He's not a Tarkin! :)

    ANDY SERKIS
    - Andy plays the ultimate baddie
    - Andy is "supervising" Dohmnall Gleeson's character, Captain Phasma & Kylo Ren
    - He is in only seen a few scenes

    CAPTAIN PHASMA
    - Captain Phasma is played by Gwendoline Christie
    - She has an emerging role in 7, in a few scenes
    - Gwen Christie is not related to Boba Fett or Tarkin
    - Gwen Christie is not Finn's superior
    - She's a chrome Stormtrooper

    MAX VON SYDOW
    - Max Von Sydow is not former/actual Bounty Hunter
    - Max Von Sydow is not Kanan from Rebels!
    - Max Von Sydow is not a character from the Prequels
    - Max Von Sydow is not a CYBORG
    - Kylo Ren kills Max Von Sydow's character


    PLANETS & LOCATIONS
    - No Yavin IV in TFA
    - Jakku is one of the planet from TFA
    - The "Evil Castle" is not Vader's

    WEAPONS
    - No such thing as a Wampa Saber
    - BOTH SIDES, Republic & Empire have a Superweapon
    - There is a demonstration of the power of The Empire's superweapon from the Target's POV


    OTHER
    - There is no Inquisitor in TFA
    - There is no "Grey Jedi" in TFA
    - Billie Lourde isn't playing Rey's sister
    - Kanan from Rebels is NOT in TFA


    ACTORS NOT IN TFA
    - Benedict Cumberbach & Michael Fassbender will see Star Wars in theaters as FANS
    - Sylvester Stallone is NOT in TFA
     
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    Hm, I'll wait and see what becomes of this thread.

    It's been put forward to put a list of all the good rumors we know about. And I think zilch has been done on that. So maybe the opposite will indeed work out. I agree with it either way. :D

    Frankly I'm not sure where to start. Everyone was floored with the announcement of the title (and one could assume content) of the first spin-off, so I can hardly imagine how much false information we must have for the big show (TFA).
     
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    OK, I'll bite

    if this isin't in the spirit of what you're after, i apologize.

    Fraud:Spoiler-babe

    Thread:My thoughts on TFA and more

    Everything stated in the opening of that thread is rediculous. If someone is just spewing ideas for entertainment puposes, so be it. But to expect any kind of crediblity for something like that...c'mon!

    I realize that was pretty scathing, is it too late to say "no offense...but..."
     
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    if i were you i would not care one bit, its easy to make up a fake story with anything. new st star wars films have more depth in every aspect.
     
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    The guy who brought up "Darth Exsito" it can't get better as this.
    Sorry, but I forget his name, I will search for it and edit this post afterwards.

    Edit: It was not a him: Spoiler-Babe (she was mentioned in the "fraud" list already)
    Nontheless have fun ;)
     
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  7. MarsPhoenix

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    I'll come back later and work on a list. I think it'll be an interesting exercice.
     
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    Yoda 2 (no offense). He started claiming he saw pictures of Kylo Ren with a ton of stormtroopers behind him, and Poe Dameron with a scar on his face. I wouldn't call him a fraud, but he literally kept claiming he had "seen stuff". For some reason, everyone just believed him, despite the lack of evidence.
     
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    Bothanspi
    KrisM
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    JJ's Cat
     
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    JJ's Cat was my favorite. At least that guy had some flare.
     
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    I thought it was funny they were posting as a freaking cat hahaha
     
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    What did he post?
     
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    The Greenham Commons scene "script." I'm sure you can find it if you search. It's pretty hysterical.
     
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    It was a thread way back in the early days of the forum. Guy pretended to be JJ Abram's pet cat. Said JJ had left the script to TFA on the table when he went out so the cat read it an decided to post on the forum. That's the kind of fraud I can get behind. Someone who does it with style and says f-it, I don't care if anyone believes me.
     
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    Lol that's funny, wish I were there to witness his posts.
     
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    My cat would betray me like that, no doubt. so thats a spoiler with substance and he delivers evidance. Bottom line we have the teaser, the Topps cards and crew photos. thats it. not bad for the most ampicitated movie and such a big production.
     
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    I can understand not liking the guy but he's not a Fraud, he's got a track record of being right.
     
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    Think about it this way, what better way for the Disney PR machine to feed misinformation to than to feed it to the number one SW fansite? To keep it credible, they gave him the trailer info a week before the trailer since it was coming out anyway. After it came out people were like " wow he got it right he must be legit " and from there on the misinformation began in small doses and it reached its' peak with the Luke is in one scene rumor.
    Just my two cents..
     
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    IF that were the only thing he's gotten correct I would say yeah ok. But its not. He has described concept art correctly on multiple occasions. He has released information that Viral has also confirmed from his sources... oh and WHY WOULD DISNEY DO THAT???

    Where does this idea that Disney/JJ would release false information out come from? The closest either has done is JJ is saying that BC was playing character named John Harrison and not Khan. And JJ admits it was a mistake. Its just dumb. Now does that mean EVERYTHING Making says is correct? No he has sources those sources could wrong, have old info or been mistaken on what they saw, but the idea that Disney/Lucasfilm/BadRobot are actively sending out misinformation to websites is preposterous. These are state secrets, its a movie. A movie that anyone spending the time we all do looking for spoilers will be seen by us no matter what!
     
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    Yes yes... Use caps lock, let the hate flow through you. (emperor)
     
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