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Star Warriors & Trekkies: Can someone be both?

Discussion in 'Television' started by Captain Sabalan, Sep 25, 2014.

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    It has taken all of my willpower not to look. Are they really spoilery spoilers?
     
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    It's like a trailer without movement or music. All concept art, very cool stuff.
     
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    That will change in time I'd imagine. From my experience, the OT sections of fan boards like this will see about 1/20th of the traffic of the main draw. The membership on this site is still relatively low. If we get into the thousands or 10's of thousands like some bigger boards, then the OT sections will look like the Ep7 section. And by extension, the Ep7 section will be a cluster. So, I'm in no rush there. I've every much enjoyed the small community we've had here thus far.
     
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    Have to agree with Curtain here 'Star Trek has never really spoken to me.' I have just never been drawn to the themes. Sure I don't know any of them because I have never watched ST but for me it seems like Doctor Who or something, certainly doesn't have themes that reflect our everyday lives and resonate in our day to day growth as individuals.

    Have to agree with TomVoxx here also:

    I'm not sure what the connection is here. Perhaps 'space, laser guns, aliens etc:' but it's been discussed in other threads and has pertinence here; its like having a whole lot of great set locations for E7 and no story-line or meaning, plot. Star Trek has just never jumped out at me like the image of a Darth Vader character or Yoda for that matter.

    I really think Trekies have always been punching well below their weight where SW is concerned and perhaps Max Rebo is correct: 'It's time to put the debate to bed,' but I think great thread because I am not sure how this debate ever got the fuel it has and would love to hear of anything like a Skywalker family in ST?

    Until I just checked Google, I thought a cling-on was like a Minok and that was the only similar alien. Sadly not! But a Minok would be cool in ST.
     
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    You won't find what you are looking for in Trek most likely. Trek is all about philosophy and moral debates. Not really about epic drama and good vs evil. There really isn't good and evil in the Trek universe, just shades of gray as a thematic source for debate over what constitutes good and evil. There is no Darth Vader. The closest you have will be the Klingons or the Borg. Both of which aren't fully developed villains as much as they are arguments in the dangers of moral relativism and an illustration of culture clash (in the case of the Klingons) and the dangers of the endless cycle of technology (in the case of the borg). Even Trek's biggest and most iconic villain, Kahn, was driven to be a villain because of the actions of Trek's biggest hero....Kirk.

    I was a philosophy major in college. So, I love what it has to offer. But its different than Star Wars. If you aren't into the allegorical moral debates then you probably won't like it. But to each his own. Not everyone has to be into that sort of thing.
     
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    Cool, thanks for summary Rebo, I needed it..

    Guess I'm a sucker for the good vs evil theme. I can probably put it down to being quite young when SW came out and thus thrust up in the idealist fervor. But yeah after that I just never bothered to try ST. I guess when your young baddy v goody is where your at. Probably why Nazis recruited SS at young ages.

    Never know if Chewy kills Han or Luke is a Sith in E7 I may just have to test my maturity and have a look..
     
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    Because this Thread was about both Star Trek AND Star Wars I have here the three Trailers for Star Wars The Old Republic
     
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    I've never been one to buy into the A or B, black or white narrative. I have been a big fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars pretty much my entire life. My one big complaint about either franchise, has been with Star Wars, and the lack of feature films. Six films just isn't enough, but of course, that will be changing on 12/18/2015...
     
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    I'm mostly a Star Wars fan, but Star Trek is also one of my favourite sagas, along with Indiana Jones and James Bond
     
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    So do any of you Trekkies know anything about a new Trek TV show or the upcoming Into Darkness sequel?
     
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    Movie = inevitable. Roberto Orci Directorial Debut
    Series = rumored netflix exclusive, licensed and produced by netflix from CBS. http://www.geek.com/news/netflix-rumored-to-get-exclusive-new-star-trek-series-1596342/

    I'm huge into Trek, and have liked maybe half the movies. TV is where Trek belongs, so I hope that happens, but it seems like they are in the very early stages of rumor.
     
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    Yeah that's what I heard too.
     
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    I really liked the Star Trek reboot, but I was not big into Into Darkness. Roberto Orci, while not having directed before, is really hit or miss for me. Looking at his writing on IMDB I like:
    -Star Trek
    -Mission: Impossible 3
    -Some Alias
    -Some Fringe
    -Cowboys and Aliens
    But I equally dislike:
    -Star Trek Into Darkness
    -later transformers
    -the Island
    -later Alias
    -later Fringe
    And I never saw Amazing Spider Man 2 but I heard it was terrible.

    Anyways, what I'm getting at is this will be a toss up for me. I'm glad that Disney is not fully on the JJ train, because I think he is great at setting up worlds, see Alias, Fringe, Lost, Star Trek, but not great at following through (Roberto Orci, his longtime collaborator, I'm throwing in the same camp). Lost gets too crazy to deal with, as does Alias, as did Star Trek 2. Its good they are moving not just away from JJ as a director for 8, but also away from the whole Bad Robot camp, who I have respect for, but don't think they do good things over the long haul.
     
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    How many of you played or at least heard of Star Trek Online?

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    I might get some s*** for this but I love both star wars and star trek. Why the rivalry anyways? Given the choice I would defiantly go to a star wars convention over a trek convention any day. I can’t be the only one here right? I think anyone who has seen the Trek revival movies with JJ at the helm agrees he did a decent job. He made it relevant again. Star Wars on the other hand has always been relevant ever since it came out, at least for me anyways (90s Kid).
    The key differences between the two I think is that one is more concerned with how humans (and sometimes aliens) would react and behave if put in certain situations. The other is centered on action and adventure. Not to say that they don’t borrow these themes from each other but there is a clear divide. Perhaps this is why they attract different audiences.
    Now for all of us who love both, how did JJ do? He made some huge changes for into darkness. So now we won’t be getting a new search for Spock movie. That’s ok with me. But did the ending make you feel Shatnered? To put this in perspective this is a franchise that catapulted around the sun to travel through time and save the earth by talking to whales. Granted that was my favorite of the star trek movies. Somehow they made a ridiculous plot fun to watch and still maintain the signature Star Trek mood.
    We haven’t seen the new movie yet and we don’t really know much about it, so how will JJ represent the characters we know and love? People do change over time; we saw this in the OT though character progression of the entire main cast. This is a key point for the plot. Luke is not the same kid he used to be. And 30 years later he won’t be the same guy as we remember, and that might be hard to adjust to. Humans naturally resist change yet we adapt.
    Let me know what you think.
     
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    Already a thread on this.
    [MERGED]
     
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    my bad. thanks for the merg iv been looking for this.
     
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    Nothing will ever beat Star Wars, for me. I do like Star Trek, I used to watch the old episodes when I was a kid, but I didn't call myself a fan. However, JJ actually made Star Trek really fun! I found the first film thoroughly enjoyable, which is why I didn't mind at all that he was at the helm of Episode VII. I wasn't such a fan of Into Darkness, it was still good but it didn't have the same quality as the first film did. Don't get me wrong, still great for a Star Trek film, it just had lost a little something and I don't know what it was.

    Personally I never saw Star Wars and Star Trek as all that similar. Yes they are both set in space, yes there are spaceships and yes their names are similar too. For me, Star Trek IS Science Fiction, proper sci-fi, but Star Wars is Space Fantasy, Space Opera. The story of Star Wars is not locked into sci-fi, you could tell the same story in multiple different settings. This is where Joseph Campbell's monomyth comes into play. Space happens to be the setting, but you could retell Star Wars as a medieval story with Obi-Wan as the old wizard, Luke a farm boy (no change there), Darth Vader as an evil dark knight or lord, the Force being magic etc. It's a human story, it's an internal story about what lies at the heart of us all, which is why it spoke to so many people. Star Trek IS about space travel and about meeting alien civilizations, so that cannot be altered.

    That's just my perspective of it though.
     
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    I think if it is a space movie then there will be many similarities.
     
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    The original Star Wars has always been my all time favorite film but I am a science-fiction fan. (And horror, fantasy, history, etc.).

    I like any sci-fi that is good. Most of the best stuff I've seen many have not even heard of

    I love Star Trek too but the Abrams movies are blast IMHO. It's a sad day for the Federation when you see something that makes you miss Voyager.

    Plinkett has some great reviews of the Next Gen movies as well. If you like the prequel reviews you should check them out :)

    I'm really looking forward to the Star Trek fan film Axanar. They got the full funding (whose goal was just to raise 1/6th for per-production!)
    Check out the 20 minute Prelude. https://www.youtube.com/user/startrekaxanar
    It's about the 4 year war with the Klingons before the start of the Kirk series. The actor they got to play a young version of Garth of Izar (who appeared in "Whom Gods Destroy") even looks similar. I'm a lot more excited to see this then the shitburger Star Trek 3
     
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