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OFFICIAL NEWS Star Wars’ Upcoming Movies Will Be Set Around The Sequel Era

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by DailyPlunge, May 27, 2022.

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    The answer to your question lies in the fact that your basic premise that "they" just wanted to kill them all off and have no more Skywalkers is false.
     
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    "They" were delighted to give audiences a shocking plot twist in TLJ by revealing Rey was...(cue drumroll)...A NOBODY!!!

    .......until plummeting box office revenues 'inspired' "them" to make her a Skywalker in the end afterall! :)
     
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    I thought she isn't a Skywalker. That's what I keep being told.
     
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    I mean, those are two separate ideas, right?

    Like, she IS a nobody, in that she doesn't come from the Skywalker bloodline. Making her a "Palpatine" was a questionable choice, but I suppose that moves her ancestry from a neutral position to one that's actively negative. Point still stands, though... that Rey is able to forge her own legacy, be that different from the obscurity or infamy of her ancestors.

    Taking the "Skywalker" name is linked to that legacy. She's not a Skywalker by blood, nor was she even really adopted by them. She chose the name herself, to continue that legacy.
     
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    Yeah..... But she's really a Palpatine. Whatever that means... ;)

    I dunno. Having Rey's friends and allies rally round her, and get reassurance from her ghostly mentors "We don't care if you're a nobody we still love ya. You're going to do great" does not sound compelling or attractive does it? The idea of that being meant to inspire any nobody's in the audience (as those that profess their devotion to Rey nobody sometimes advocate) is nauseatingly patronising.

    Being a Palpatine gives stakeholders in the events unfolding a reason to say "This will happen... you will do this.... you won't do this... this can never happen etc..." and for Rey to react to those things in a decisive way that a Rey-nobody problem just doesn't accommodate.

    It should really be clear that Rey-nobody was a solution to the fact that Johnson simply did not have the remit to dictate anything as yet untold about Rey's past or about the past of any other legacy characters, and certainly not their futures. With the obvious exception of what went down with Luke's academy and the aftermath. Because that was precisely what Johnson was tasked to explain.


    Here's another reason why the "revelation" in TLJ is so unreliable. Kylo says that Rey already knows what he's about to tell her. If she knows then why is she reliant or suggestible to him telling her?
     
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    I hate sounding cynical but Rey taking the "Skywalker" name in the final film is linked to Disney/Lucasfilm realizing they made a Major League screw-up in TLJ and hoping TROS's metaphoric band-aid will somehow rectify their mistake in the minds of fans. Personally, I doubt it.
     
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    I mean, that may be one interpretation.

    We could be equally cynical and say that each of these films (including the original trilogy) was only made to line the pockets of executives. Doesn't mean they don't have value.

    Regardless, her taking that name is not totally illogical within the context of the film. Taking "Organa" or "Solo" could've made sense too, but it's not like we need to pretend like we don't know why she also might take "Skywalker".
     
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    It's a conspiracy. That's what it is.
     
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    There's nothing cynical about that -- all feature films are made to line the pockets of its investors. But like all business enterprises, including films, the ones that usually make the most money are the ones that: a) hire great people, both in front of and behind the camera; b) have the time and budget necessary to create a quality product; and -- most importantly -- c) have a great story to tell.

    In the case of a Star Wars trilogy, that means telling a great story in three separate acts. In the case of the STs, watching all three films in a row is likely to give viewers a case of whiplash.
     
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    Isn't that pretty subjective, though- especially when determining how "cynical" something is?

    Like, when I hear "cynical", I think more about the work on the part of the creators. Why they're doing what they're doing, if they believe in the project, etc.

    But if we're talking simply whether or not the audience liked something? I mean, one thing that comes to mind to me is Tommy Wiseau's "masterpiece" The Room. On release, it was considered perhaps the worse film of all time. But Wiseau himself seemed to pour his heart and soul into the work... he simply just wasn't very good at it, and didn't create a very good product (though it's since gotten success as a cult hit as a "good bad movie").
     
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    I dunno. All art is subjective but given the overwhelming response both critically and commercially to the original Star Wars film, I think it's safe to say it had a good story to tell. Same with ESB and ROTJ when the story was expanded into a trilogy.

    The cynical side of me says once you've got the audience 'hooked,' it's easier to make money on sequels even if the new story isn't as compelling -- as was the case with the three ST films.
     
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    The Last Jedi got the best critical reception for a Star Wars film since 1980.
     
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    Unfortunately, it wasn't a stand-alone film, it was the second part of a trilogy that most critics have found disjointed at best.
     
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    TROS wasn't as well received. That was the case with ROTJ. The downward trend in commercial success as the sequel trilogy progresses was almost identical to the OT as well. It remains a far better trilogy critically speaking than the prequels were either individually or as a whole.
     
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    Slightly disappointed by this, just because I want the future films to be set in a period when there are plenty of force users again. Unless they are going to set it after Rey has rebuilt the Jedi order and The Sith have returned or another sect of force users.

    There have been a lot of films where force users are pretty much extinct, would be nice to have some films where they are prevalent again.
     
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    I like the idea of there being other force users throughout the galaxy who have had some sort of epiphany (perhaps even subconsciously) that means they have already discovered some of their abilities without the traditional prompting or awareness raising from a Jedi teacher. It would be interesting to see Rey and/or Finn encountering these people on a pan-galactic mission (like the apostles) and either being successful at recruiting them to the new Jedi order, or failing but leaving them in peace. And perhaps meeting one or two with whom there is a confrontation.

    Let's face it. Nobody wants to watch a show about taking children from their families. This will be the way forward for the restoration of a Jedi order.
     
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    Definitely not, just the Obi wan scene this week where you can see the hurt when he talks about been pulled from his family.

    I also think star wars has don't the trainee Jedi coming of age story to death now.

    But an adventure involving sects of good and bad force users trained in none traditional way (not site or jedi) that have sprang up around the galaxy in the absence of the Sith and Jedi could be really fun especially if you throw Rey (or even Finn if they went that route) in there acting like a more traditional Jedi.
     
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    They might very well find groups of potential Jedi who have found each other and banded together just in order to remain hidden from both the Jedi and the Sith/Empire/FO because of what happened to virtually all other Jedi and Jedi defectors over the past fifty-sixty years.
     
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    Or even potential Sith doing the same and plotting. Or groups of force users who have nothing to do with either. You could even have Rey find these factions in wild space with a war between the brewing.

    There are loads of possibilities if they choose to follow one of the. I just want there to be some films about force users in full control of their powers going on adventures and having encounters with other trained force users (though obviously a more complex plot than that). As we haven't had a lot of that as 8 of the 11 live-action films (not including Ewoks films) have been set in times when force users are basically extinct and the ones we have seen are normally at the end of their life or a trainee.

    I'm just concerned that setting a film in the sequel era where the only trained force user we know about is Rey, which means there is a high chance that the films will not be based around trained force users which I personally would find disappointing.
     
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    I assumed the Powers-that-Be would be content -- for now -- to leave the era after the STs alone for the time being. Why? Because the foundation for that exciting new era won't be Rey, it will be Grogu and his introduction to a new -- and different -- type of Jedi Knight and Jedi philosophy.

    But they certainly don't want to spoil the current Fav-roniverse by introducing an older Grogu so that will be put on hold for the foreseeable future. But I suspect the Powers-that-Be at Lucasfilm and Disney are keenly aware they have to approach the time after the PTs carefully so as not to create continuity problems for their future Grogu stories.
     
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