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'Star Wars' Editor Marcia Lucas Slams Sequel Trilogy

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by SKB, Sep 21, 2021.

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    I guess. Perhaps I am just disappointed because when I saw that Marcia Lucas had criticised the sequels I thought "At last, we might get something insightful on this subject from someone with expertise", but no. To be fair to her, she wasn't asked for detailed analysis, and perhaps she gives it in the book. But what we've got so far is just a damp squib.

    I still stand by her analysis on my points 1 and 2 being poor enough to imply that she hasn't really thought about this at all.
     
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    She didn't say the prequels sucked all she said was that George is a talented and creative guy and that the films are bad and could have been better that's really it.
     
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    My dude, look at even your own words on the subject.

    It really cannot get much more clear cut than that :p
     
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    She didn't say the prequels sucked, she just said they are bad. That is a very fine distinction you are making there. I'm not even sure whether "sucked" or "bad" is worse.
     
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    Pretty sure there is a difference between thinking something is just bad and thinking something is dog blast.
     
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    Yes, but is it a big difference? I think hairs are being split at this point.
     
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    Oof, this is kinda bumming me out.

    My dude, she didn't like the prequels. She didn't like the sequels. It's just kinda sad how you're trying to diminish one of these while putting the other opinion on a pedestal, just to pretend like your views align with hers.
     
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    I echo Marcia Lucas' sentiments about both the prequels and sequels. Neither are as good or as comparable to the OT, but at least the prequels are watchable.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    I think I kind of agree with Marcia Lucas' very broad thrust on both prequels and sequels.

    For me, the prequels are about wasted potential. They could have been amazing. There is so much going on in them, and George Lucas is a very clever man who had clearly been thinking about the prequels for a long time. They are dense and full of ideas and themes and meaning, so much of which is lost behind lazy, lumpen production. Lifeless performances, loose editing, stagey blocking and often perfunctory dialogue. You look at the scene in A New Hope where Luke is trying to convince Han to rescue Leia ("she's rich"). A scene of a few characters talking in a room, and it's great. The information we need to move the plot forward is dished out between amusing lines and fun character interaction. Characters move around the room! Hell, the camera even changes position quite a few times! It is a proper movie scene. Unlike the endless number of static, plodding scenes of characters talking in a room from the prequels.

    I get the sense that the prequel films weren't being made by a hungry young director, trying to squeeze everything he could out of the production, but by a business man who was more concerned with budget than with quality. I wonder why that could be. There are moments where I can't believe that Lucas looked at what he'd just recorded and was satisfied. I can just imagine him thinking "I could move the camera somewhere else for a few shots, but that would take time", or "I could ask them to go for another take, but time is money - I'll fix it in the edit." But there is only so much you can fix in the edit, even with all the new digital tools.

    There are moments of glory in there, and if I squint I can kind of see how good they could have been, but ultimately, for me the prequels are a wasted opportunity. Which kind of seems to be what Marcia Lucas was saying about the prequels - George not making films that were as good as he could have.

    The sequels on the other hand are, for me, almost the reverse. Very competently made, moment to moment. Lively performances, snappy direction, fun. The jokes are actually funny, which is something the prequels never managed. But they are lacking in ambition. They aren't really about anything. It is clear that no one had a Star Wars story they were burning to tell. No one had a vision that they needed to put on film. Instead, Disney bought Star Wars and needed to make their money back so we got a sequel trilogy that ended up not really adding anything of value other than some characters I like and some performances I enjoy.

    I appreciate that Marcia left Rian Johnson off her list, because The Last Jedi made me think that maybe there was a point to the sequels. That there was something new to be said, and that the sequel trilogy would move Star Wars forward. But they bottled it and instead we got the reverse of the prequels - a trilogy that is competently made if you look scene by scene, but hasn't really got any potential that it fails to live up to. Perhaps that is what Marcia means by "they don't understand Star Wars".

    Ultimately, I don't think I hugely disagree with the very general points she is making, but the way she puts her view forward makes her seem like one of those God-awful You Tubers, incoherently and performatively raging for clicks.
     
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    I like all Star Wars films and some are good and some are bad, but Attack of the Clones is really weak. I love The Searchers hat tip and some of the Obi-Wan stuff, but kind of like The Rise of Skywalker the film is kind of a mess. Thankfully time has passed and some of the over the top hyperbole about the prequels is finally subsiding, but that doesn't mean those films were good. Much of the prequels just doesn't work. The sequels are far from perfect, but this idea they were worse than the prequels may be true to some people, but it's far from the way most people received them.
    This is a perfect summary of the sequels to me. I would love for someone to take these characters now that the sequel trilogy is over and do something new. Forget the Empire 2.0. Tell us a new story with these great characters.
     
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    I don't like her take, but that's fine. However, I do like that star wars movie she edited a while back
     
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    Whether Marcia hates the movies, loves the movies, or hasn't even seen them -- I couldn't care less. If you do that is fine, BUT... whatever opinion she (or any other "celebrity") holds does not validate or invalidate any other person's opinion on the films. I don't know why we still need to be making that point but here we are...

    If there is more relevant discourse to be had here please have at it, but if this is just an attempt to say "Hey look at me, I was right and you were wrong!" then I think we can call this a wrap.
     
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    The sequels suck.....the sequels suck......the sequels suck. That echo has been bouncing around in these forums for awhile now. Attack of THE Sequels Suck Clone Threads.

    Why do the sequels suck? What we're you disappointed in? Did you like ANY-THING at all in the sequels? What makes the prequels watchable as opposed to the sequels? Let's have some original SKB input.

    IMO:
    The Prequels:
    That look on Maul's face as he was pacing back and forth in front of Qui-Gonn. Lucas nailed it there.
    Palpatine's transormation in ROTS. Pretty good.
    Maul's double bladed saber. Loved it.

    The Sequels:
    The Falcon/TIE chase in TFA.
    The Holdo Maneuver.
    Luke Force Projection.
    Perhaps The Knights Of Ren had they actually done anything.
    These are just to name a few?

    Thoughts?
     
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    Yep
     
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    LMFAO literally doing no such thing just speaking facts.
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    She literally worked on the OT if anyone understands SW as much as George does it is her not KK JJ RJ or sequel loving Disney shills.
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    So you're basically disregarding her points even though she worked on the OT? LMFAO okay then. I think she knows more about SW than some random fan tbh.
     
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    Yes, I am. Because her points varied from silly (Carrie Fisher no longer being with us is not a rational criticism, nor is Harrison Ford having little interest in Star Wars) to the level of insight we get from online fandom ("it sucks"). If she makes some points that aren't easily dismissable, I'd gladly take them on board. I want insightful criticism from people who know what they are taking about, but her comments weren't insightful criticism.
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    Also, it is possible to disagree with people who worked on the OT you know. Lots of people have problems with the prequels and (stop me if you've heard this) the prequels were written AND directed by someone who worked quite extensively on the OT. Hell, lots of people have problems with RotJ and that was made by a bunch of people who worked on the OT.

    Having worked on the OT doesn't mean you are always right about SW. If it did, Episodes 1 - 6 would be beyond reproach.
     
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