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'Star Wars' Editor Marcia Lucas Slams Sequel Trilogy

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by SKB, Sep 21, 2021.

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  1. Too Bob Bit

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    My use of "innate" and "inherited" together could be an oxymoron making a point about what seems to be a contradiction in GL's statement - "innate" and "inherited" are not of course the same thing. "Innate" is similar in meaning to "congenital", which means NOT inherited.

    "Innate" means we may be born with certain abilities, but it doesn't mean by definition that we inherited them. They are our own natural gift.

    However, when I look back at his quote, I notice Lucas doesn't actually mention anything about biological inheritance at all - it's all about the innate. He says:

    "Predestination in my mind is...your genetics. Your genes are your destiny... it’s something that’s innate in your genetic code."

    So by Lucas's own definition, it's perfectly fine to be born with the ability to use the Force. No inherited genetics (or inherited midichlorians!) required.

    Rey CAN just naturally have an inborn ability with the Force - no grandfather was required.

    George Lucas says so.
     
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    Oh....boy.
    It never ceases to amaze me how much passion SW generates in people!
    Regarding Han's death, Ford has wanted that for years, so it isn't entirely Abrams' fault! And I'm one of the few olde fans who actually liked TLJ Luke..he reminded me a lot of me, how in your 20s you're idealistic and starry eyed but reach middle age and you're a lot more cynical! Most of all I agreed with his opinion of the Jedi - post the PT I started to see them as religious fanatics and control freaks, and I actually hoped they WOULD 'die out' and a more compassionate and less dogmatic order would take their place. But alas....it was not to be.
     
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    Again there is a difference between thinking something is just bad and that something absolutely sucks she never said the prequels suck but she did say that about the Disney trilogy.

    Mod edit - Stay on target. Please address the post, not the poster.
     
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    You know, for all their 'sins' the prequels told a good story.

    I must say here....I think the media can also be held to account regarding some of the nastiness shown to people. I remember how they poured scorn on the Jar Jar Binks character who later was almost driven to suicide by the amount of hate he got. People working in the media sometimes are worse than 'fans'.
     
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    The only cat that got skinned worse than A-Best & J-Lloyd was this kid.

     
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    I have to admit one of my favourite parts of TLJ was Rey being a 'nobody'. The strongest part of TFA was to me how the three major characters were so different to the OTs...instead of a princess, a farmer and a pirate we had a scavenger, a stormtrooper and a mixed up darksider!
     
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    I've seen plenty of films that suck, but never seen a film so bad that it made me cry.
    Having lived through the internet blacklash against the prequels was incredible. The films were overwhelming rejected by fans, audiences, and critics alike. There wasn't much arguing over them. That stands in stark contract to the Disney era where there have been some highs and lows, but nothing remotely comparable to the prequels. I'm happy people enjoy them more now, but Star Wars is in a far better place now than in 2005.
     
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    You know, it's funny but I never hated the prequels. I though the dialogue in AOTC was at times cringeworthy but the film was fun, exciting and had some genuinely moving, powerful moments - such as Anakin killing the Tuskens in his grief induced rage.

    To me, the reason TROS will always be the worst SW film ever is because it has essentially 'tainted' the entire saga. It's undone everything the Skywalkers fought and died for. Anakin sacrificed himself to destroy Palpatine. Palpatine returns and because of him, the last of the line is gone.

    I know many people enjoy the SW universe in general, and the books and animated series such as Rebels and the Bad Batch are very popular. But for me..SW was the Skywalkers - and Han Solo.

    Now they are gone. This is hard to digest in itself, but making Rey the Emperor's granddaughter is a slap in the face. Palpatine's bloodline lives on in her. I don't care that she has renounced the name, as Lor San said 'you can't deny the truth that is your family'. Even now, two years after TROS, I still find it hard that Disney have done that - and presented it to us as a 'happy ending'. :(
     
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    That's wrong hardcore fans and movie critics hated the prequels but general audiences actually enjoyed them. It wasn't until 2008/2099 when dumbasses like Confused Mathew and RLM started making angry reviews on the prequels that general audiences started to hate the prequels that 2008-2012 era was peak prequel hate on the internet.
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    Nostalgia.
     
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    This is something that makes me laugh.
    Quite a few of the TLJ haters are now back tracking post TROS and saying it 'wasn't as bad as they thought'.
    I also read with interest a link a poster on another forum sent to an old copy of a movie magazine where quite a few people were not happy with ESB - they didn't like the 'you are my father' reveal and how Luke was presented in it. I also think that some were disappointed with the Han/Leia romance as they preferred Luke/Leia.

    Foreshadowing, methinks.

    Fun fact - apparently Chris Terrio was a Luke/Leia shipper in the day.
     
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    The Simpsons were already mocking the prequels before ROTS was even released. The episode that contained a spoof about the disappointment at the prequels, which is where "worst episode ever" comes from, was aired in 2004.
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    Mark Hamill was vocal about his disappointment at this before Empire was even released.
     
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    Some things never change. :D
     
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    That's what Mark said but it didn't stop some fans from taking his concerns as conclusive "proof" that the ST was completely misguided and ill conceived.

    Funnily enough, he bemoaned the the trio being separated in ESB. Then when the movie was a success he praised how it subverted and frustrated the audience's expectations.
     
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    Actually that's what I like about Mark; his willingness to accept he's wrong.

    He gave the performance of his career in TLJ, I was blown away. I know it sounds daft, but in some ways he reminded me of Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven.
     
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    That's high praise, drifter. (sorry)

    I was thinking of a little bit Spencer Tracy and a little bit Marlon Brando.
     
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    He was like a character out of a Western, a legendary gunslinger who chose exile because he was disillusioned. And when he went out to face Kylo at the end it reminded me a bit of Alan Ladd in Shane. Only we didn't get Rey running after him shouting 'come back, Luke!'
     
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    The thesis of the film is essentially what imaginary Han tells Ben, “Your mother's gone. But what she stood for, what she fought for, that's not gone.”

    “Skywalker” means more than a bloodline. It didn’t die with Ben. It will continue forward as a symbol into the future and serve to inspire those who need that inspiration most. It isn't limited to any one family. I feel like you have to try pretty dang hard to find a dour message in that. You kind of have to want to.
     
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    I know it's the internet so people just can say whatever they want, but I can only assume anyone who claims the prequels were actually well received either isn't being honest or isn't old enough to remember it. Much of the hate the prequels got was hyperbole, but it was a bit of a misfire overall.
     
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    Where the backlash went over the top was when people kept going on about it for years after. Turning it into and online industry. And that's what we have now. YouTube content aimed at a target audience masquerading as film criticism.
     
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    Yeah, well, I'm a depressant so maybe it's that!!:D
     
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