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Star Wars' Place in the History of Chiastic Literature

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Jayson, Jun 6, 2019.

  1. Jayson

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    You're in line with the notions Lucas was clearly knocking around in his mind due to his cultural surrounding (the 60's) and its influence upon him.
    Watch, for example, 21-87. You'll see in it a lot of the mystic and spiritual notions you'll likely recognize.
    Lipsett was captivated by contrasts and contradictions. Consumerism vs spiritualism. Eastern vs Western spirituality. Physicalism vs idealism. Public vs. private (seems to love when they meet). Identity vs. belonging. Technology vs. nature. Tangible vs. intangible. Real vs. ideal.

    These are common themes in his work. 21-87 has them all in 10 minutes of footage.

    It made an impact on Lucas in a pretty big way.

    As to sacred geometry.
    Geometry has been special to humans for almost as long as humans have been humans.
    During the Bronze age it exploded.

    The reason chiasm exists is because it's a form of geometry, but abstracted to narrative thought rather than relying on a physical form or presentation.
    It weaves patterns without form. To a Bronze age educated mind, there are fewer things that capture the mysticism of existence more deeply than to build a geometric form that is formless, and only exists in conception.

    Which is funny. To my knowledge there are no such works which do so in a way as to create a visual image in the chiastic pattern. Instead, they all weave to form a set of focal points or priority of value on what is being narrated.

    It didn't seem to occur to anyone to mix visual geometric pattern weaving with chiastic narrative pattern weaving conceptually, which is very interesting when we note that a tradition of Hebraic scribes towards the end of the Bronze age was to write the texts in a visually geometric pattern since religious images were forbidden.
    The irony here is that they were making visually meaningful geometric patterns physically with a text that sometimes had a meaningful geometric pattern conceptually, but at no point did they make the former align to the latter.

    Humans. Funny things, we are.

    But yes, geometry is fun and easily one of humanity's longest and greatest pastimes.

    You can, and people have, lose your life to it.
    Just look at Pi and Phi. People have gone entirely off the deep end with these things.

    We are forever fascinated by how a non-numerical form can express such voluminous iterations of numerical value. The paradox greatly captivates our collective consciousness as a species.

    This is where Star Wars outperforms many stories. It delivers a simple form from which a vast complexity is expressed. Humanity's favorite paradox.

    Cheers,
    Jayson
     
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    Hey, @Jayson, I've been thinking a lot about chiastic structure lately, (dreaming of the day when I understand this beast sufficiently to give it a try in my novels... which will probably never happen), and in particular I keep coming back to this great thread.

    Seeing as you're back, (at least for now?), and seeing as the past discussion was based on Ep. 1-8, I wonder if you'd be up for a re-analysis of the entire Skywalker saga, warts & TRoS and all? (For the record, I love TRoS, and it's 6th on my list, behind the OT, TLJ, and S:ASWS).
     
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    Probably not anytime soon. The workload I have is massive.
    I've written two screenplays in the past two years, one in four months on a rush order, developed a new production process workflow, designed and written the technical documents for a new software suite for production tools spanning from writing to film editing under one software set, developed AI integration systems for narrative pipeline assembly processing and analysis, currently have a project moving to potential green light production mode soon, have a stack of reports to assess and audit from the tech guys work on screenplay breakdown processing so they can improve their stuff, and I'm writing a narrative theory document/book the CEO wants to operate the company's story methods with.

    In the words of a great ruler,
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    Absolutely understandable, mate! Best of luck with it all :)
     
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