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'Star Wars' Producer Blasts 'Star Wars' Myths

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by TIDMADT, Sep 30, 2014.

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    There was an interview with Gary Kurtz published a few days ago, and it's interesting for many reasons, but one of the little gems I gleaned from it was this:

    "The original story outline that we had for the third film (RoTJ) I thought would have been great. It was darker and it ended up with Luke riding off into the sunset, metaphorically, on his own. And that would have been a bittersweet ending but I think it would have been dramatically stronger."

    Given that JJ has been dredging up old Ralph McQuarrie artwork for inspiration on the x-wing designs, if not the stormtroopers, and given the rumors of Luke having gone off on his own... might there be clues here?
     
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    There HAS to be some more to this original plot that was referenced by Kurtz... here are a couple more items from another article:

    "25. During the writing of the film, Mark Hamill speculated that the film would include Luke Skywalker’s turn to the Dark Side and eventual redemption, but it’s unclear whether this was wishful thinking on his part or a plot point that was genuinely considered.

    26. An early version of the movie was to end with Luke walking off alone, leaving his friends behind in true gunfighter/Samurai fashion. That idea was dropped in favor of a happier ending, reportedly because Lucas feared a downbeat ending would throw a wrench in the printing press from which truckloads of merchandising money flowed."
     
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    And... enough searching, you find things...

    "They stop at the edge of the clearing where the celebration is taking place. Leia gives her newfound brother a great big hug. They are quickly surrounded by Ewoks and friends. Leia turns and gives Han a big hug and passionate kiss. Everyone cheers and yells as they all move closer to the bonfire. Sadly, Luke wanders back into the forest alone. Leia starts to go after him, but is stopped by Han."

    Unfortunately, not much of a clue as to how this would impact plot-lines for the Episode VII... but an interesting read... I had been hoping for more, but I think the idea of Luke wandering off alone into the wilderness may still be playing into the new trilogy

    The site itself contains many early versions from all the movies... an interesting read for any fan
     
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    This is indeed great interview. We were going to post it yesterday but didn't have the time.
     
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    Insomnia helps (duel)
     
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    Wow, as a seven year old that ending would have been really sad to me, but as an adult, I think it's epic.
     
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    Like the characters, we have all grown up a bit...
     
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    Even as an adult I don't like the idea of Luke abandoning his friends and the Alliance. Just not what his character was about. That is why I have not liked the rumors that Luke has gone into hiding for the last 30, 20, or 10 years. One of the complaints about Luke in ANH was he was a whiny teen, now people actually like the idea of a whiny adult Luke going into self pity mode and hiding from his friends? Ugh...

    If that end to ROTJ was really a possibility, than I have to imagine the intentions of the end of ROTJ was that the Empire was completely defeated. I just don't see Luke walking away from his friends at the end of ROTJ if the Empire still needed to be defeated.

    So if the Empire is still around for E7, I have to think Luke is still very much in the picture. At least I hope so... Otherwise I picture Luke doing one of these just as the credits started to roll in ROTJ:

     
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    Well Star Wars always has the final shot going into the credits with some or all of the cast. What were they going to do at the end of Jedi if not what they did? Have Luke slink away into the forest, and then the happy ending party shot of everyone BUT him? No, that was never going to happen. It was always going to have the cast of 7 heroes.
     
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    If the sith were defeated, and he was the last of the Jedi, then the only possibility of evil ever gaining the power again would be through his teachings, and the possibility that someone he mentors (not necessarily him) being seduced...

    Better to remove that possibility, for the good of everyone... don't think of it as a whiny brat, but as the most noble of sacrifices...

    In THAT light, it could happen
     
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    He wouldn't need to run away from his friends and hide, all he would have to do is just not teach anyone.
     
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    Too much chance he would fall into the wrong hands... too much chance his friends would once again be made to suffer to draw him out...
     
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    His friends would still be targets in that case no matter what. Just see ESB...
     
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    But isn't that a cowards way to act? It's just like saying somebody shouldn't have kids for fear that one of them might turn out bad. Luke is supposed to be A New Hope and he is supposed to represent the Return Of The Jedi. Having him run away scared for fear of what he might or might not become especially after having passed his ordeal before Palpatine and Vader is just wrong and in no way makes any sence as it just walks over what we were all shown that was supposed to be Luke's destiny right from the start.
     
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    Carnt help but feel you have missed the whole point of the Anakin / Luke redemption story ......

    Anakin feared the loss of his loved ones . This fear led him to the dark side .

    Luke feared the loss of his loved ones . But was able to conquer his fear and learn to let go .

    For Luke to suddenly start makeing decisions based on fear completely negates his whole journey in the original movies !

    Now the only way I could see and maybe believe Luke going into hiding would be in the protection of his child ( Rey ) any other way does seem cowardly and selfish and out of character .
     
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    This also brings up an interesting plot point in the new trilogy: Could someone COMPLETELY let go of their friends and learn that that too is not the right way to go?
     
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    I know Kasdan pushed for Han's death in ROTJ, and it looks like Kasdan is going to make that a reality in this movie.
     
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    So, in a sense he did (#26) this off screen in this film as he went into hiding. I feel that sometimes film makers need to make the audience have there own speculation and use there own imagination as to what happened in those years. It is one of the reasons why I like STAR WARS so much because "A NEW HOPE" had me wondering who was Vader, what were those plans all about and what the heck were the clones wars. I would use my own imagination about how the plans got stolen and the Clone Wars
     
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    Same here. I saw ROTJ when I was 11 years old and thought it was the perfect ending back in 1983, while I wasn't a big fan of ESB back then.

    Fast forward 10 years and I reevaluated each film as an adult, and loved ESB. ROTJ didn't age well for me and Kurtz notes regarding a more melancholy ending would work perfectly for me today.
     
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    I always felt like there was a rather odd tonal shift with Return of the Jedi. Not that ROTJ wasn't a good ending to the trilogy, it was wonderful, but it always struck me as odd that we went from such a tonally dark, serious film like The Empire Strikes Back to Return of the Jedi's rather... odd moments,



    The film wasn't without its serious moments, but it was definitely far less serious than ESB. As such, I found the interview to actually be a rather interesting insight to the different thought processes behind both films.
     
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