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SPOILER Star Wars: Rebels Finale Discussion and Party

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by Viral Hide, Mar 5, 2018.

  1. singlern05

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    Points well-taken.... And I'm not saying that Lothal wasn't on their hit list.... just that they weren't able to get to it with the Death Star before it blew up. The fact that they didn't go back at all in one form or another is unbelievable.
     
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    Sorry if I got a little uppity there. Tone is a hard thing convey :) I absolutely concede there’s probable logistical reasons for not using DS1.0. Alderaan and Yavin made way more sense under the circumstances. I was only being half serious suggesting that (Wait, isn’t this the exact reason they wanted a Deathstar to begin with? So situations like a renegade world wouldn’t happen?) My real issue is more with the Empire ostensibly not doing anything at all. There has to be more there or I just can’t make sense of it.
     
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    So, as of now, my biggest issue with the world between worlds kinda came true.
    It became a giant deus ex machina to save Ahsoka.
    Will it return to save Ezra?
     
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    Loved the series finale. It wasn't what I was expecting but that doesn't prevent me from loving it. In some ways, we were teased with some hints.
    • World between worlds taught us we can expect the unexpected, especially with Ahsoka.
    • The Bendu foresaw Thrawn's fall.
    • Rogue 1 revealed the Ghost wouldn't be destroyed.
    • Forces of Destiny revealed Hera survived the Battle of Endor.
    • And Filoni had shown a drawing of Ahsoka in a hood, reunited with Rex, on top of Wolves.
    star-wars-ahsoka-tano-rex-dave-filoni-twitter-1180x603.jpg
    https://www.starwarspost.com/dave-filoni-teases-social-media-picture-ahsoka-tano/

    I know our hearts wanted to see more Vader, more Palpatine, more Kenobi, stronger connections to the OT and the Galactic Civil war, but the reality is that Rebels wasn't the story about those. It was the story of Ezra and his fellow rebel friends he called family, and his homeworld. The series starts and end in Lothal. That's the closure required.

    Closure is not having all characters killed for the sake of closure. We saw that in Rogue 1 and it was great, but we knew in advance it was most likely a suicidal, heroic mission. We don't need to see that all the time.

    Let me put an example. Schindler's List. The events of this movie happened during World War II. Did you see people complaining about the lack of stronger connections to WWII? Why the movie didn't have more Churchill? or Hittler? or Stalin, Roosevelt or Hiroito? Why the movie didn't show more battles and what was happening in other countries? Why? Because those were not the point of the story. The story was about Oskar Schindler and the people he saved. And guess what, he didn't need to die during the story for it to have closure. There was a beautiful epilogue where we found out what happened to him decades later of the main story.

    So, back to Rebels. In a Galaxy so big, we cannot ask to have every story to be fully connected to a main event. Doing so loses the focus of the story that wants to be told.

    Some random comments:
    • The Bendu said Thrawn was going to die that way, but Filoni said Thrawn survived. I think Bendu saw those events through Ezra's eyes, which showed a defeated Thrawn, fearing for his life, probably for the first time. Lesson: just because something doesn't happen they way a character describe it, that doesn't mean that he/she is intentionally lying.
    • Same applies to Kenobi in ANH and Yoda in ROTJ. As far as they knew, they were the last ones of the Jedi. Ezra might have survived, but perhaps after being shot in the torso and jumping on to hyperspace without windows, he may have lost his Force abilities and is not longer sensed by either master. Remember the end of TESB? Leia sensed Luke and could turned around and easily find him. But in the ST, Leia couldn't find Luke on her own. We learned in TLJ that Luke was under a self-imposed exile from the Force. This could be the reason why Leia couldn't sense him and find him. Same reason why Kenobi and Yoda couldn't sense Ezra anymore. Or Ahsoka for that matter, assuming the planet Malachor prevents an inhabitant from being sensed by others.
    • Although Ezra was looking at a hologram, Palpatine must have been using the same kind of Force power Luke used in TLJ: using Force projection to display a younger version of himself.
    • Did Jacen Syndulla had the drawing of a wolf in one of his shoulders? Most likely for Kanan reasons.
    • Why he can't have green hair? Why not? There could dozens of explanations, including but not limited to having a supercool auntie that loves to dye her hair at least once a year.
    • I was really expecting for Kallus to change his name to Crix Madine, the general in the space battle in ROTJ. That was the token of fan service I wanted, but no hard feelings.

    Now on to what's coming next.
    • I agree the most logical choice would be to fill the gap between ROTJ and TFA.
    • Jacen Syndulla would be most likely Force-sensitive, although this ability doesn't appear at the same age for everyone. If he's in Endor and Luke is about to start rebuilding the Jedi religion, Jacen could perfectly be his first student.
    That's all for now.
     
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    We didn't get to see what actually happened to Ahsoka originally though. Filoni could have spared her any number of ways if he wanted. The 'in-between' served a function in the story beyond just explaining why Ahsoka disappeared. Although, "god machine" is literally what it sort of is :D
     
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    I think it did more, though.

    -It served as a reason for the Empire to be on Lothal. The whole series, the Empire has established a presence there. Now, without the Defender facility and the temple in ruins, it was reasonable enough that they'd pick up shop and go home (especially with some aggressive negations ;)).

    - It was a device to tempt Ezra, one last lesson for him. We also see it in this same setting as a way to see the flip side of Palpatine's coin, the kindly gentleman that charmed Anakin so long ago

    -It was another way to show perhaps the most grievous example of Thrawn's appropriation of other cultures' art. The scene with the temple ruins in the Star Destroyer hold was unnatural, and further vilifies Thrawn.

    And I can't help but imagine that we're probably done with the World Between Worlds now, at least with that portal. Maybe Ezra survived, but the Chimera probably sustained significant damage. I guess we'll just have to see, though.

    Regardless, I guess Ezra did kind of save himself by saving Ahsoka, who we can assume is coming to his aid.
     
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    Well I chose that phrase for a very specific reason
    ;)
     
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    Except Rebels DID have those things. What if Oskar Schindler took off in the middle of the movie, had some whacky adventures abroad meeting up with the Allies, then came back toward the end? Wouldn’t the audience be justified in losing sight of what the focus was supposed to be? Personally, I started caring a great deal more about the story the moment they left Lothal and was disappointed when they went back.
    Seems more than reasonable to assume that was done programmatically to me. It’s already a hologram, a synthetic representation. Why wouldn’t you be able to easily change its appearance?
     
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    That's generally how I used to feel, too.

    When the Specters went back to Lothal this season, I was really bummed out. And I'll admit, I still consider the first half of Season 4 to be extremely weak.

    But personally, I think it all paid off really well. The second half of the season featured an extremely solid six (technically seven) straight episodes, probably the longest run of really good episodes in the whole series.

    I always wanted Rebels to feature more of the founding of The Alliance and stuff, and I admit the first half probably could've focused more on that than spinning wheels so long on Lothal. But ultimately, Lothal always was the identity of the series. We always knew they'd go back there eventually.
     
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    I’d definitely have to agree with that. This last push to the finale was really very exciting and well delivered. I liked each of these episodes a lot. While the show did a great job of getting me on board with our crew’s actions and goals, I still didn’t care at all about Lothal or the people on it. I have no affection at all for that place. All of that could have been happening anywhere and I would have been just as invested.
    I always saw freeing Lothal as a terrific motivation for Ezra . . . to join the Rebellion. *LOGICALLY*, as the Empire’s authority is ubiquitous in the galaxy, the only way to secure that world’s freedom would be to remove the Empire from the galaxy altogether. They’d have to be defeated outright first before ANY world could truly be free. This fight is far bigger than one world. But this finale seems to have decided that to not be the case . . . for some reason.

    I was hoping this series would become our bridge point to Rogue One, connecting the Rebel Alliance from their founding to their first big victory. Growing the scope ever larger along that journey from the fate of one world to all worlds. Everyone deserves to be free. Meh, it is what it is. I still overall liked it though.
     
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    Oh yeah, Lothal was handled far from perfectly. There were times that I had really high hopes for it, like Ezra's broadcast early in the series. But the people never really did much to rise up.

    I guess in the end, that pent up frustration really paid off when Lothal took its freedom from the Empire, but I'd agree that the stakes seemed pretty low sometimes. Instead of focusing on Sandcrawler heists and the weekly wolf show, I think we could've benefitted from meeting more Lothal civilians over the course of the series.


    And your point of motivation makes a ton of sense. I'm not sure we really have much like that in canon right now, either, as relatable as it is to many real world people. It's not like Luke went to the Rebellion to save his beloved Tatooine... :p
     
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    Agreed.
    I felt like it peaked emotionally in Jedi Night/Dume and that should have been the main end of the Lothal stuff and the sacrifice of Kanan should have been the launching point of the Rebellion taking it seriously and connecting back to it...but that's just me
     
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    I don't know. There are definitely more Alliance-centric episodes I would've liked to have seen: maybe the Spectres help on the mission at the Rings of Khafrene or rescue at Wobani, or at least meet Cassian and K2. Maybe a little more Saw and Mon Mothma stuff, because that wasn't well fleshed out.

    But ultimately, I have a hard time seeing a finale that isn't on Lothal. Any thoughts? (other than Scarif, since that was ruled out a long time ago)
     
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    Bendu actually never mentioned death. He said he saw Thrawn's defeat - which is exactly what happened. :)
     
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    Great talk with his parents,
    [​IMG]
     
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    As I don’t know where else to put it…

    To my knowledge, in Episode 14 we got the first on-screen appearance of the Carrack-class light Cruiser that was introduced by the West End Games P&P RPG and later featured in the famous X-Wing and TIE fighter PC games series from Lucas Arts.

    So when the Ghost is ridding piggy back though the blockade over Lothal…

    CarrackClassCruiser_Rebels_Ep14_01.jpg

    CarrackClassCruiser_Rebels_Ep14_02.jpg
     
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    Still get chills at this moment.
    [​IMG]
     
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    I'm definitely getting the season 4 blu-ray. I stopped buying blu-rays but this is a must have.
     
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    Oh, for sure. I'll be getting a physical copy as well.
     
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    So, when Hera says: "I shouldn't have waited to tell him", does she mean that she should have told him that she loved him or that she should have she told him that she's pregnant? Something to break your heart... ;_;
     
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