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Star Wars: The Last Jedi - First Spoiler Free Reactions About the Movie!

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by SWNN Probe, Dec 10, 2017.

  1. Bluemilk

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    I agree. It's like they're itching for it to tank and scathing. If it was all bad reviews some would gloat and right now mostly glowing wiith glee and some despise that. Kind of weird.
     
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    The people talking about Star Wars in the most positive lights are Star Wars fans. They are biased. Now if we were hearing the thoughts of those who aren't Star Wars fans it would sound a lot different. They could like it, but they aren't going to walk out of a movie theater sounding like a cheerleader.
     
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    The very positive reactions likely rule out the movie being bad. However, it is only human nature to be affected by the excitement of attending the premiere and watching the movie along with the director and many of the actors.
     
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    And the people I'm talking about are Star Wars fans who no matter the praise or bad reviews dislike any positivity. Those not being star wars fans are irrelevant to what I'm saying.
     
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    Remember the reviews for TFA? then came MARY SUE... thats my only concern.
     
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    How high these people rate it (ie. best ever! Top three!) doesn’t matter to me. What I’m noticing is a pattern of people saying they need to digest it, take it all in and that it is surprising.

    That means there are levels to this film the others didn’t have (lore?) and/or reveals that are crazier than parentage.
     
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    Probably is a lot to digest because of more character development and the force maybe? Either way I can't wait to see it.
     
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    But these aren’t reviews, these are the typical snapshot hyperbole code words that they say after EVERY SW movie, so the point is most of us don’t believe them at this point. It’s like when an actor goes on Late Night TV and Kimmel and Fallon says they saw an advanced screening and loved it!!! What else are they going to say, as that’s the way the game is played in Hollywood.

    In saying that, the movie could still great as I’m still very bullish on what I’ve seen from the promotional material. But Kevin Smith, Chris Hardwick or anyone who was ‘invited’ to the Premiere has no credibility with me regarding their opinion. It’s years and years of Hollywood BS and the way they promote things that make me take it every word they say with a grain of salt.
     
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    The first real reviews will be published on tuesday, right?
     
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    For what I've seen, it is worth not knowing what it is the movie.

    I've waited for 2 years, I can wait 2 days and a half.
     
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    Yes I understand how it works. But my point had nothing to do with who they are and Hollywood and Jimmy Kimmel or Fallon, or that about these were THE reviews. It isn't going to matter about next week. The same will happen as soon as real reviews come.
     
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    Couldn't have said it better myself, especially the Kevin Smith reminder... LOL But with that it still can be a great film. Still have trust in RJ but...
     
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    I got ya. No doubt the real reviews that come out this week will be more detailed and less gushing because they have nothing at stake. In a strange way, I always ignore the real bad reviews because they are usually non-SW fans who don't get the movies in the first place, so they are watching it in a much different way then we are.
     
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    The absolute pessimism of some so called 'Fans' astounds me. The films first initial reaction has backed up all the rumours leading up to the release that TLJ was a different kind of SW movie than what we have seen before and that we should expect to be blown away.

    Nearly all the initial reactions mention those points in someway. I don't understand the outright scepticism. There were plenty of people invited to that premiere that have slammed SW movies in the past yet so far there seems to be hardly a bad word said against it.

    I'm sorry but some people need to get a grip. Its like some 'fans' will only be happy when they can pull the film to pieces. Maybe its because of Disneys 'only interested in momey' BS or its the GL martyrdom. Either way its pathetic, move on and enjoy the ride like the rest of us or don't watch it.

    I'm not gullible enough to believe these reactions verbatim, I'll wait and make my own judgement when I see the movie on Thursday however the initial reactions are encouraging.
     
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    First reactions always look like these - overly positive. Personally, these reactions just made me feel more sceptical. As I've previously stated numerous times on this forum, I'm walking into the theatre on Thursday with one thought in mind: to set myself up for disappointment. This way, I will walk out of the theatre feeling satisfied in every possible outcome. For example; if the movie is terrible (IMO) I can pat myself on the shoulder and say "told you so", and if the movie is good (IMO) well then I can happily say that the movie has proven me wrong (which is a great thing!).

    Many of the reactions seem to praising Mark Hamill's performance, saying its amazing to see Luke back in action. As usually, most people presume this means we'll see Luke being the badass Jedi Master we've been wanting to see since 1983. But I would take these reactions with a big grain of salt. Just because they're praising Hamill's performance and saying that he's the film's standout, doesn't mean he'll do cool Jedi stuff or use his lightsaber. It's just as likely that they're praising his performance because he's a grumpy and scared and does that in a very believable and EMOTIONAL way.

    I'm also not particulary fond of hearing that the movie is full of jokes - I don't want to see more Hollywood jokes ala TFA-style where the scenes take me out of the movie and makes me feel like I'm watching a parody like Spaceballs. If you think about it, Poe joking about Kylo's mask in TFA is very similar to the jokes made about Dark Helmet in Spaceballs like "I can't breathe in this thing!". It works in a parody, but not in the actual film which the parody is based on. Another reason why TFA is so bad, and it's sad to see these generic Hollywood jokes making its way into the Star Wars films. Thankfully, Rogue One didn't have any of those stupid jokes, but it seems like the ST is aiming to be more approachable to the modern mass.

    Also, what's with the person praising a POC having a heroic moment in the film? A heroic moment should be praised for what it is, not because of who it is. A heroic moment isn't instantly good just because a POC is having it. The same way, a heroic moment isn't instantly good just because a non-POC is having it. If something is good, it's good, and if something is bad, it's bad. It's comments like these that make me sceptical about the film. So you like that the movie has a POC as the hero? Good for you! But is the actual MOVIE good?

    I will judge all of the reactions as biased until I see the movie for myself.
     
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    I don't think most fans here are being pessimistic, I think we get tired of the same cliched hyperbole that the first reviews/tweets/impressions always say. The point is something can be great and enjoyable without compaing it to ESB, as that always seems to be the bar they use. I love TFA and have watched it over 20 times on BluRay, but I don't think it's anywhere close to as great as ANH or ESB, so it's all in a matter of the context of what you feel is classic great or enjoyably great. If I were reviewing a movie like Donnie Brasco, I would say it's a great Mob movie, but I wouldn't compare it to The Godfather. Does that mean that Donnie Brasco is a crap movie? No, I still contend it's a great movie in the context of what it is, and comparing it to The Godfather just diminishes it.

    ESB came out in 1980, so the SW community (and the Cast & Crew) needs to move on and stop referencing it whenever they make a comparison. Heck, I remember Rick McCallum saying ROTS was going to be as dark as ESB leading up to 2005. Well, I would disagree because I think ANH is a pretty dark movie when you take a step back and think about Luke seeing his foster parents skeletons which is eventually the reason he goes on that journey.

    Again, something can be great and enjoyable and not put up on a pedestal as the 'greatest' this or that. That evaluation takes multiple viewing and even years later to really come to a solid conclusion.
     
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    I never said 'most' I said 'some' and part of being a fan is being optimistic not pessimistic. If your a pessimistic fan then your not really a fan. (I'm not aiming that at you BTW) the bottom line is though there are some fans out there that want to see this movie fail in order to confirm their bias.

    I understand being bored with the typical Hollywood hyperbole however that is a part of ANY films release not just SW. So you need to expect that and try wade through the BS if your going to pay attention to initial reactions etc.

    And unfortunately the comparisons to empire will never go away. It set the bar for star wars and that will never change until something more impressive comes along. So we have to just grin and bear it.
     
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    The way I judge a film for me personally is "Would I go see this again?"

    From these initial reactions, it sounds like the answer with TLJ will be yes. So that is positive enough for now.

    For the record, the only SW movies I felt that about so far were the original three (though I was a little kid at the time), TFA, and (suprisingly in retrospect) TPM.

    Also I kind of think "The best since TESB" comments aren't that high of praise really. ROTJ and TFA are good but not great (particularly after repeated viewing/over-analysing) while the PT and RO are crap.
     
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    ESB isn't a measure or standard. Don't get me wrong or flame me, but ESB is the most overhyped movie of all time. Yes, I like it, but it isn't my favorite. It isn't even as dark as TFA is. Aside from that and to prove my point, Frosty form Collider was interviewing Kelly Tran and asked he rthe question"What is your favorite SW movie." and before she can respond he says"It's ok to say ESB most people do." Basically leading her on so he can sound cool and hip. He just sounded silly.

    It becomes double standard with ESB vs ANY other SW movie.
     
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    It's not really about what the best SW movie is anymore, and that is what drives me crazy about the constant comparisons to ESB. We are 2 trilogies removed from the OT now, so the franchise is in a different place at this point, so comparing to ESB is ridiculous.

    Not one of these tweets/comments from the TLJ Premiere said, "It's as great as TFA!" If I heard that then I would feel alot better, because that is what we should be judging it on because it's the next movie! Now obviously TFA does have it's detractors, but the movie made 2 Billion dollars so somebody liked it out there? Heck, he majority of people on this site liked the movie, so why isn't that the comparison when talking about TLJ this week among the reviewers? Why are people afraid to compare to TFA?

    I just never went there in comparing the OT to the ST, or the PT to the ST, or the OT to the PT, because they are all different in terms of story, characters, and the time they were made. I'm judging TLJ next to TFA and eventually Episode 9 because these movies HAVE to work together, as it sort of says something about the fandom that the franchise relies on a 37 year old movie on every comparison. And I say this as a person who loves ESB.
     
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