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Star Wars: The Last Jedi - First Spoiler Free Reactions About the Movie!

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by SWNN Probe, Dec 10, 2017.

  1. Jedi MD

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    Peel back some of the hyperbole from the emotion of the event and there are a few things we can glean from the reactions. It will be different. Stuff will happen we don’t see coming. Seems to have depth to it. Overall will be an enjoyable movie.

    All of this sounds good to me. I’m not sure what more we can ask for. I can’t wait.
     
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    I totally agree. I am the same. I'm not judging it against the past, but the last one as you have said. Which I do love TFA, so It becomes ridiculous to do compare to everything else.
     
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    Your never going to get the perfect Star Wars Movie there's too much diversity of audience, but by the sounds of the reactions to TLJ were are approaching as near as damm it!... can't bloomin wait
     
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    Its unbelievable. Although I personally now trugh my connections have obtained general picture of entire film I can not wait to see this beauty personally and participate in that with the rest of the people.

    This film is so great that its unspoilable.
     
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    Exactly. As they can say in their Tweets: As good or maybe better then TFA. Characters and story much more rich and fleshed out in this one.

    That is something relevant as it will tell me that RJ is taking this story in a deeper way and succeeded and it’s giving zero spoilers away. It means a lot more then ‘It’s as great as ESB!!!!’
     
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    TFA can not be compared with this film in terms of originality of approach, new things and twists that it brings.

    Unlike TFA which was very good but I felt like I am watching episode IV again all the time, acording to reconstructed synopsis by reports this one is something entirely new.

    Just by this it must be better film than TFA. I am happy its definitely not remake of TESB.
     
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    So I sincerely don't want to piss off someone at SWNN but there is a guy named John Hoey who tweeted quite a bit.....not sure if he is here in the Cantina but I must sincerely disagree with his tweet about John Williams and the score of TLJ "showing what was missing with Rogue One". I loved R1's score and thought some of Giacchino's work on that was outstanding. Let's just review TLJ and not cut down other SW movies......
     
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    John Campea's TLJ reaction!

     
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    One thing is I feel like the hyperbole is kind of more expected/excused after TFA just simply due to the fact that it was a new sequel and the mere fact people were seeing Han, Leia, and Luke 30 years later. I don't know how you could come out of that movie and not be pretty hyperbolic.

    TLJ doesn't quite have that excuse and so while I do think a lot of these reactions probably are a bit over the top, the fact that people seem this excited about it is a pretty good sign. There isn't really any kind of "I've waited 30 years for this" emotional backdrop to fuel the hyperbole as much.
     
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    Haven't yet seen a review stating it's a rehash of ESB. So that's a good thing.
     
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    I'm happy you mentioned this, I want every Star Wars film to be critically and financially successful. WHY? because I want to see RJ's new trilogy that he is working on, I want to see an OB1, Jabba the Hutt, Boba Fett, Solo film someday. I don't understand SOME fans that don't want a SOLO film and suggest that it shouldn't be made, or will be LFL first failed standalone film.

    When people compare a Star Wars film to ESB it means nothing to me because ESB is not my favorite Star Wars film. I'm a Star Wars fan I even like TPM. My point is I'll make my own decision about TLJ when I see it Thursday. All the positive review just remind me of Mary Sue, Gary Stue, and how TFA was a ripoff of ANH btw my favorite Star Wars film.

    https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....y-consider-yourself-a-fan-of-star-wars.52113/
     
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    Totally agree. I'm not as fussed about the stand alone films (although I really did enjoy R1) but I'd want them to be successful. I've been a fan since I first watched ANH when I was 7 years old and the fact that SW is as big now as it ever has been and getting one film a year is fantastic. The only thing that does concern me ever so slightly going forward is if they over saturate the market but only time will tell I suppose. Having said that though quality is everything and at the minute you will here no complaints from me in that regard, everything produced in partnership with Disney so far has been pretty top notch.
     
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    My sentiments, exactly. Before anyone leaps down my throat; I am genuinely excited for this movie. I have always loved Rian Johnson as a director. Heck, I met him years ago at a screenwriting conference and the man is as nice and humble as you saw him. But at the same time, I can understand the cynicism. I was burned by TFA. And really, when you consider the Hollywood system and how these journalists and studios feed off of one another via mutual benefit; it is easy to see that hyperbolic, almost superfical quality. Especially, the ESB comparisons which I will spare my critique as that would be too long.

    Regardless, recognize hype. It is okay to be excited and want to see something. I know I am. But also recognize that and try to be level-headed, especially during the second or third time seeing it. It is why I was able to come to the conclusion that I didn't really like TFA all that much. That could change with TLJ, but that's just my view. No big deal.



    And this is a very valid point. A twitter post usually doesn't contain enough details/ depth to really explain something. Unless, of course you taylor your tweet for short reviews, but really these tweets aren't reviews. Plus, logically speaking; you'd think ANYONE at that premiere would tweet something negative about the movie?

    Considering how the press and Hollywood(much like most entertainment industries) feed off of one another in that they both mutually gain off of positive buzz, yeah I'd take these tweets with a grain of salt. But at the same time, it isn't doom or gloom.

    This movie could be genuinely great. To use an anecdotal, when Blade Runner 2049 came out and I saw all that acclaim; I will admit I was skeptical. I won't go into details, but I'm a diehard fan of Blade Runner and yeah, I've seen Denis Villeneuve's work beforehand, but the marketing left me skeptical. When I saw the movie, my jaw dropped. I couldn't believe just how good the movie was.

    That could very well be me, or anyone else's reaction to TLJ. So yeah, healthy skepticism isn't a bad thing.
     
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    I agree... in principle. It's a 50/50 shot at best that I'll be able to restrain myself and avoid spoilers...
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    This is why there will tons of debate and bickering after this weekend. Actually loved the humor in TFA. It made the movies feel fun, which I appreciated. I like when a movie doesn't take itself too seriously.

    I get people who feel differently, but those who do will likely have a different impression of the film.

    I just wish more people would say things like "it didn't work for me" vs "it was terrible."

    Movies are art and therefore the quality is incredibly subjective.

    The only negative reviews that will bother me will be the ones who don't like it because it went against their head cannon.
     
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    Seriously I hate this. It's fine to have your own ideas but you can't get upset when it doesn't go exactly how you want it to.
     
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    I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised by TLJ having humor. Rian has been stating that in interviews for the last few weeks. All of the SW movies have had humor. There seems to be a subset of fans who really want a dark, brooding SW. Many believe that R1 was darker and grittier yet many people's favorite character was K2-SO who was the comic relief of the movie. Humor is part of SW. It always has been.
     
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    I agree. SW movies need humor in it as I think the movies have problems when it tries to take itself seriously the whole time. I think SW is at its best when it is able to give us a combination of Drama, Humor, Action and Mythology for 2 hours without any of them getting in each others way.

    This seems to be a product of the internet, as everyone feels they need to have their opinion heard so they have to go to the extreme. They can't just say 'I didn't like the movie," they say, "That was the worst movie of all-time!" Or vice versa as the gushers get too excited. I will continue to say that if TLJ is a very good/great movie, I will be happy. I don't expect it to be a classic, as it's very hard when you're on the 8th movie of a Saga Franchise to give something really fresh and original. I loved TFA but I don't consider it a classic, it's a just a great SW movie, IMO.
     
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    The internet in general lives on a bedrock of absolutes when it comes to discussing topics, especially when it comes to movies. And when you combine tribalisism and the almost identity politics level of crude that comes with any iota of disagreement; it truly exposes something ugly. But to be serious, the above poster in my view is just arguing syntax. There's no difference between "this movie is terrible" vs "it doesn't work for me". Because, really those two mean the same thing. As long as the individual isn't a dogmatic, smarmy guy and is open minded enough to at least acknowledge that people disagree and tolerate it, cool.

    I have made it abundantly clear on my stance on TFA is. But I don't demand people to agree. Heck, I enjoy people who disagree with me. And some of the arguments people have made for the movie, I can see. I still don't like the movie(I prefer the novel) overall, but hearing opposite ends did enrich my experience in that I could see why people like the movie.

    And appreciate that SWs as a brand is back in the spotlight. Even if I disagree with the direction.

    And really, The Last Jedi; I'm stoked for. Admittedly, because I love the director, but I know for a fact that LF isn't dumb enough to do The Force Awakens again. Like it or not; that movie was a one time deal, predicated on nostalgia/ the absence of SWs on the big screen. And in a post-RO; that will never happen again. Unless, the franchise takes another massive hiatus. And really, I am expecting it will be better than Force Awakens.

    Will it be ESB strikes back level or even the OT? Probably, not. If it does, then wow; hats off to the director. But really, all I want is a good story/ characters set in the SWs universe and not SWs greatest hits told by a semi-competent band. Harsh, but really that's how I feel about TFA. Though, if TLJ is anything like Cap WS; I will have a totally revised outlook on TFA, much like Iron man 2 and the other MCU films. Not to get off topic.
     
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    I like is, I don't agree with much past the first paragraph but I like the respectful manner in which you've expressed your opinion. I wish everyone were this objective. Great post.
     
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    Thank you. I wouldn't call myself objective, but more so humbled. I don't see a point in focusing on aspects I don't like a franchise and instead choose to focus on the good parts of it, as well as, understanding why people like them. And The Force Awakens: I completely understand why people like it. I don't agree, but really that is just my view. I'm not a god or some prophet of objective truth.

    And really, how I see The Force Awakens is that all it needs for me and those fans who aren't fans, is one good/ great followup to make it great. My evidence stems from Iron Man 2. That movie didn't do very well critically as it was mixed. But then you put forth Captain America Winter Solider and that movie basically made myself and plenty of people look at that movie through a different lens.

    So really, much as I dislike TFA; I know for a fact that movie can very easily be revisited. Heck, Empire Strikes Back was mixed upon reception but since then has been revisited and is acclaimed now. History could very well repeat itself and I hope it does. Because, wouldn't that be something? Especially, with Abrams is directing nine and now with a supposedly amazing sequel having been released; he will need to step up his game. And nothing pushes a person to try harder than a competition.
     
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