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Star Wars: The Last Jedi - First Spoiler Free Reactions About the Movie!

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by SWNN Probe, Dec 10, 2017.

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    @BaranDo91 Outstanding post. Totally with you on all points.
     
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    Yeah I can totally understand why people would view TFA in this way, ATM it is I suppose a little bit devoid of context and I do think the TLJ will help to change this. I however loved it. I think my main reason for this was I had such low expectations of it and it totally surprised me.

    It makes TLJ all the more interesting and in a way significant.
     
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    I totally get that people see TFA as a carbon copy of ANH, but that is only in a macro sense. I always see the SW movies as a character study, so the micro story is really the heart of it. If you think about it, ANH/ROTJ/TPM/TFA all have the same macro plot: The goal is to take out some type of space station/planet from the bad guys, but the themes of each movie on a micro level are much different.

    TFA has a lot going on with it in terms of Rey and Kylo Ren, and eventually Luke and Snoke (which will be answered more in TLJ), and to me Starkiller Base is just backround music. The same goes for ROTJ as the real story is Luke/Vader/Emperor and the attack on Death Star 2 is backround music. I would even say TPM (as much as it gets buried) has a lot going on with the Jedi Council, Palpatine, and Anakin, where the attack on the Droid Army/Ship is again just backround music.

    Notice they are all the 1st and 3rd movies of the Trilogies? Because there has to be some foundation and closure to each one, so obviously there are going to repeating of plot points, but the nitty gritty of the characters is different. That is why the 2nd movie in each trilogy has the freedom to go wherever they want because they don't have to set anything up nor resolve anything either. ESB, AOTC, and now TLJ are probably the most fascinating of each trilogy because it's just 2 hours of whatever they want to be, no worries of introducing anyone and no worries of tying everything up in a bow. (Although you can say Lucas hurt AOTC by having to introduce Anakin again as a new actor.)

    So in one sense, I can't argue that TFA is a carbon copy of previous SW movies in a sense, but if you just look at it in terms of characters, their arcs, and where they are headed, then it is much different then all of the movies. TLJ will be much richer then TFA, much deeper then TFA, and probably better, but it has the luxury of being the middle part of the trilogy and the real meat of the story. Part 1 of a Trilogy is the Salad, Part 2 is the Filet Mignon, and Part 3 is the Dessert. They're all good and it's a complete meal, but I think most people would say the Steak is the best part! :)
     
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    Why do people try to have an opinio on a movie they have not seen yet?
    Just because critics like / dislike a movie does not mean the same applies to you.
    Taste is very personal please go see the movie with an open mind and then decide for yourself if you liked it or not.
     
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    The open mind argument is tossed around a lot. while I agree, what does it mean to go into a film with an open mind? I think temper expectations would be a better argument. Star Wars fans are dying to see a film with an open mind, we want to see something different. By all accounts, there are some really earth shattering revelations in this new film. I think anyone that is a Star Wars fan will enjoy the film if it is well made in a film sense; TFA had some blinding story issues, and I don't blame fans for calling LF out on them; personal taste has very little to do with wether a film is competent or not; That's just my opinion. I appreciate ya :)
     
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    Open minded is maybe the wrong word. I just know people who will go into the cinema thinking the movie will suck because this or that critic said so and that is, in my opninion just complete bantha poodoo.
    I do think personal taste has something to do with a you saying if a film is competent or not just because different things matter to different people. I just in general dont like it if people say "99% of fans disliked it bla la bla" (not that you did just something in general). Everybody is entitled to an opinion just dont force it on others and dont judge something you have not seen yet.
     
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    Oh I feel the same way, believe me. Nothing grinds my gears more then the movie goer who hates a film before seeing it. That's a path to the dark side. If TLJ is as great as everyone is saying, there's no argument. Great is great.
     
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    This is a fantastic way to think about it! It actually even helped me concepualize my feelings about the PT (like having a decades worth of therapy go nowhere then one day it all clicks).

    It's like the PT had a great composition, but GL just got a new pair of cymbals and couldn't stop smashing them together. That made for really disruptive background music that interfered with my ability to enjoy the story.

    I feel better now. (dual)
     
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    Saying a Star Wars movie is too long is like saying my orgasm lasted too long... GTFO...
     
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    I look at it this way, we are essentially going to have a 9 Saga Story after Episode 9 + standalone movies. There is no way that every movie can be great, but if you take the whole thing together as one big story, then some parts are great, some are good, and some are so-so/bad, but overall it's still a fascinating journey to take. Trust me, I went through many years of therapy with the PT, and I don't think they are great movies, but as part of the overall story, they bring a lot more depth to the OT and even the ST now as you see the evolution of the galaxy from start to finish.

    Which gets me to the point of this thread in that I just don't get caught up on HOW great TLJ is, because at this point you will go crazy thinking every SW movie is going to be a classic. But if you enjoy it, and it continues the story from 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7, then I think it's done it's job. And if it is great, then it's icing on the cake! So that is why I say I don't think TFA is a classic movie, but I still love it because it has furthered the story of the PT/OT and it's gotten me to anticipate Episode 8 and 9.
     
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    Ummm, there's different types of humor. In my previous post I specified in detail why I think TFA's humor feels more like humor taken from a parody. Like Spaceballs.

    Yes, all of the Star Wars films have had humor in them, but they were not making fun of their source material. The key to making good humor is to be funny while still taking your characters serious. Previous Star Wars film succeeded in doing this. Rogue One succeeded too, but TFA failed.
     
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    Just to let you know that at imdb there are some users and critics reviews. Iam avoidimg the spoilers, so be carefull.
     
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    Wow, this sounds amazing, signing off till 14th. See ya all on other side!!
     
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    Spot on again.

    That is why I love Star Wars. I love being transported to a different universe with its own mythology and it own set of rules. Everything doesn't have to be perfect. As long as I'm transported, I'm happy!
     
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    I've just read the reviews on IMDb and there's no real spoilers there just the same as the initial reaction tweets but a bit more in depth.

    However they may change so read at your own risk.
     
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    I know I said I was leaving but I did want to say this...I’m reading some comments online about potential spoilers and fans complaining but people who actually saw the movie during the premiere like John Campea is aboveand beyond thrilled and saying it’s great and will satisfy most Star Wars fans...what’s the deal? I mean I know us fans are oubown worst enemy when it comes to criticizing the movies but WHAT IS UP??? Just my two cents. OK, now I’m leaving...again.
     
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    There has always been people that have complained about a Star Wars movie being 'too long'. No me.
     
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    This is a fair point. My previous post was more towards the fact that some seem to think TLJ will be lacking because it has humor.
     
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    Here's my stance; there was NOTHING wrong with JJ Abrams homaging ANH. Because really if we are to dive down that slippery slope, then ANH should be critiqued just as harshly due to it being a big-budgeted remake of The Hidden Fortress. or Magnificent Seven being our take on Seven Samurai. All excellent movies, in my view.

    And really, to be honest; I didn't mind the callbacks as you said, ring theory/ it's poetry it rhymes. And finding Luke Skywalker is an amazing premise: instantly sets up stakes as it plays on us knowing who Luke was, while creating intrigue for younger fans. But beyond that, my issue with the movie is threefold. For starters, it was too referential. I didn't mind one or two references, but the movie came off too much like Spaceballs/ a parody than something organic.

    The second issue is for me the lack thereof of world building. I wasn't expecting PT style (Please no), but something like the OT. Plus, it has been 30 years; context is needed and much as I like the NC, it shouldn't be mandatory to look at it. Third for me, is the fact that the movie ditches its premise with Starkiller base. The finding Luke Skywalker plot becomes second fiddle. In other words, the main quest became a glorified side quest that somehow linked to the main quest.

    The Last Jedi, I could see very much rectifying any of these issues, if we the audience are just given a tad bit of context. For example, if it was hypothetically revealed that Snoke went with creating Starkiller Base as some sort of red herring to distract the Resistance/ the New Republic that would be interesting.Because logically speaking, Snoke's true agenda must be something truly worthwhile to basically do something like which track record has been absymal.

    Obviously, I do not expect answers to everything. There is another movie, but for me; stuff like that would make me appreciate TFA as basically being Fellowship of the Ring, the opener as you described. With TLJ being the meat of the trilogy/ where most things come into full perspective.
     
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    This. I couldn't have said it better myself. I don't care for the PT, not gonna lie. However, they are Star Wars, thus I do like them, just not as much as the OT. And that's okay. As you say, not every film is going to be superb. It's the overall arc of the story.

    Now if only the 5-9 posters melting down facebook style over on the spoiler thread could just understand this... LMAO
     
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