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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Trailer Breakdown + Why Palpatines Return Was Inevitable

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by SWNN Probe, Apr 13, 2019 at 3:57 PM.

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    Are you still recovering from the Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker teaser trailer that dropped yesterday? Well, don't worry, so are we, and that's perfectly okay. The trailer left us with more questions than answers, and there's only one thing you can really do in situations like that. You speculate like there's no tomorrow. So, read on for our breakdown of the trailer and share your own thoughts and observations in the comments. Let's begin...







    Apparently, J.J. Abrams appreciates rhyme and symmetry as much as George Lucas as the teaser opens much like the first teaser for The Force Awakens, albeit a little more subtle. Heavy panting over a black screen...the darkness fades and is replaced with a desert landscape revealing an exhausted Rey looking off into the distance...

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    As she steadies her breathing and draws her lightsaber (the repaired Skywalker saber), Luke narrates:
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    A TIE Fighter screams on the horizon...
    A brand new TIE fighter races across the desert and Rey's saber ignites.

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    She makes an about face...battle ready...

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    Gloved hands steady on the the yoke of a ship. Kylo Ren? Poe? It's not clear as this could even be clever editing, splicing in a shot from a separate scene in the movie.

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    Rey glances back and begins her run. The pacing of the exercise is almost too methodical to be an actual battle, which leads me to believe this may actually just be a training exercise, with perhaps Poe rather than Kylo in the cockpit.

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    The fighter chases after Rey...

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    Quickly gaining on her...

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    As the TIE zooms in behind her, Rey makes a gravity-defying Force-powered leap over the ship...

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    Next we have a montage of quickly passing glimpses at various scenes throughout the movie. First, we see a ship descending at night through the clouds and rocky terrain of an unknown world with a brightly lit city in the distance...

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    Then to an unmasked Kylo Ren body slamming a warrior (possibly a Knight of Ren) into the ground with his lightsaber ignited. Adam Driver continues to bring a uniquely brutal physicality to the role...

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    First Order stormtroopers offer their support against unseen enemies...

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    Fires started in the conflict sporadically cover the forest floor...

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    A fur-covered welder patches up Kylo Ren's helmet. Could this be Chewbacca?

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    Poe and Finn on a mission for the Resistance...

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    BB-8 and his new friend 'Dio' (spelling?)...

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    Lando Calrissian and Chewbacca flying the Millennium Falcon through hyperspace...

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    Not missing a beat and looking as smooth as ever, Lando is back, and he looks like he's enjoying it as much as we are...

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    Next, a speeder is being hotly pursued across the desert...

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    ...by troopers with jet packs...

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    Poe, Finn, and C-3PO hold on for dear life as their vehicle is rocked by blaster fire...

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    Then a ship looks like it's about to make another happy landing...

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    Yep, I'm not even sure Anakin Skywalker could pilot his way out of this one...

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    Then we get a close up of a character (probably Leia) holding one of the medals of bravery given to the heroes after the Battle of Yavin (probably Han's).

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    Leia and Rey embrace...

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    ...as a single tear flows from Rey's eye, evoking the same emotion that many fans were also experiencing at seeing our beloved princess on screen again...
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    Finally, we have one of the most intriguing shots of the teaser as our heroes look on at the wreckage of what appears to be the Death Star II from Return of the Jedi.

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    In the distance, you can clearly see the distinct shape of the dish for the Death Star's superlaser rising up out of the water. It stands to reason then that the heroes have found their way to the forest moon of Endor.

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    At first glance, the scene looks nothing like what we've seen of Endor, but don't miss the ocean for the trees. In the shot from RotJ (below), you can clearly see water on the moon's surface, so there's really no doubt that this is Endor in my mind. The bigger question is why are they there?



    [​IMG] The Battle of Endor (Return of the Jedi)



    Some form of answer may actually be found in an early concept for The Force Awakens. This one dates back to when Rey was known only as 'Kira', and features the character searching for something in the Emperor's throne room in the underwater wreckage of the Death Star.



    [​IMG] Early Concept Art for The Force Awakens



    Concept artist Doug Chiang explains in Phil Szostak's book The Art of Star Wars: The Force Awakens that the concept involved the Falcon going underwater to the Emperor's tower (below). But what could our heroes possibly find there? Time will tell.



    [​IMG] Early Concept Art for The Force Awakens



    Perhaps the most jaw-dropping moment in the trailer however cannot be actually seen, but rather heard. As the screen fades to black and the new blue Star Wars logo begins to come into focus, the familiar maniacal laughter of the late Emperor Palpatine can be heard following Luke's line to Leia in The Last Jedi:

    [​IMG] Emperor Palpatine (Revenge of the Sith)



    'Wait, what?!' seems to be the general consensus among Star Wars fans watching the trailer at the not so subtle hint of the return of Darth Sidious. As shocking as it was though, we shouldn't really be that surprised, comic and book readers especially. Honestly, they've been building to this for a long time in multiple stories outside of the films themselves, and the more I think about it, the more I realize that old Sheev's comeback was inevitable.



    [​IMG] Iden Versio (left) and Admiral Versio (right) with a Contingency Sentinel in the background (from Battlefront II)



    For starters, you have both the Aftermath trilogy of books by Chuck Wendig and the campaign story for the video game Star Wars: Battlefront II working together to tell us how Palpatine had set up a contingency plan to destroy both the Empire and his enemies in the event of his death.



    [​IMG] The Battle of Jakku (Battlefront II)



    In the Thrawn novel by Timothy Zahn, the Emperor works with the Chiss Grand Admiral to explore the Unknown Regions of the galaxy in effort to prepare for the future of his Empire. The contingency plan hinged around Palpatine's view that an Empire that could not protect its Emperor was not worthy to continue. At the Battle of Jakku, the Emperor's plan proceeded in an attempt to destroy the planet, taking the Empire and its enemies down simultaneously.



    [​IMG] First Order Troops at Starkiller Base (The Force Awakens)



    The New Republic thwarted this effort, but the other part of the contingency continued as planned with the remnants of the Empire fleeing into the Unknown Regions to rebuild and continue his legacy. And there you have it, the birth of the First Order. But then, what good is a new Empire without an Emperor. Sure, there was Snoke, but as we saw in The Last Jedi, however powerful he may have been, he might not have been as much of a threat as we thought.



    [​IMG] Snoke and Rey (The Last Jedi)



    So who is left to fill the void? Kylo Ren? General Hux? How about the guy who learned everything about the dark path to immortality from his own master before killing him in his sleep? What about the guy who single-handedly led two galaxy-wide forces into war with one another just to maneuver himself into the seat of unlimited authority? Or the guy who may or may not have manipulated the dark side of the Force to create the most powerful Force-sensitive individual to have ever lived? Yeah, it basically has to be Palpatine. He is virtually the face of evil in the Star Wars universe and he has no intentions of letting someone else steal his thunder, even in death.



    [​IMG] Emperor Palpatine (Return of the Jedi)



    Lastly, we finally have the title reveal for Episode IX, which had absolutely nothing to say about 'hope' or 'the Force' like many were anticipating. The title, The Rise of Skywalker, seemed to catch a lot of people by surprise, and honestly, I think it's a perfect title. We all know George Lucas loved his poetic symmetry and this title accomplishes multiple things on that level while still adding mystery and maintaining ambiguity surrounding the film's premise.



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    For starters, it keeps the alliteration going with the other third act movie titles in the Star Wars saga (RevengeReturnRise). And, like the other sequel trilogy films, it begins with 'The', fitting in nicely next to The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. Underneath the aesthetic appeal, however, is a deeper meaning that we haven't even begun to understand.



    What does it all mean?! Is Luke rising from the dead? Is Rey indeed a Skywalker, unlike what we were led to believe in The Last Jedi? Or is Skywalker, more than a name, and the title symbolically refers to the continued legacy that is associated with the name? Perhaps the title even refers to Kylo Ren, and the Skywalker legacy living on through a post-redemption version of Ben Solo. Heck, maybe Anakin even makes a return. While some explanations may be a little more of a stretch than others, anything is possible at this point. The speculation train has left the station, so be sure to share your thoughts and speculations in the comments below!





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    Luke also says 'We' have taught you everything 'we' know. That implies to me some more old characters besides Sidious returning. This to me is not only exciting but necessary to make this 9 part story feel cohesive.

    I know some will bemoan a lack of originality but looking back to 2012 when these films were first announced what were we all predominantly most excited to see? The old characters. The previously established heros and villians that have existed in our collective consciousness' for so long are one of if not the biggest strength star wars has, why not play to this strength and utilize them? The new generation of characters have quite rightly taken center stage but surrounding them with or pitting them against already well developed characters is just much more thrilling and emotionally engaging for audiences. Let's also face it, no new ultimate villian they could conceive of could compare to Sidious in fans minds, what would be the point in Rey learning lessons from newly conceived characters when you have Obi Wan or Anakin to use?

    I'll watch other films or franchises or the new Star Wars sagas being developed for stories involving completely new characters. In an episodic Star Wars film i want to see my favourite characters play a significant and meaningful part if the story allows it and I really hope they do in this one.
     
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    ''Poe rather than Kylo" in the cockpit of the TIE? Interesting, it does remind me of the scene on Takodana in TFA as Poe flies his X-Wing inches above the water.
     
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    Ok, some things that I noticed (and others too of course):

    - The tie silencer (or interceptor?) is not the same from TLJ. So, I don't think is Kylo in that ship;
    - In the third picture of Kylo "killing" the posible KOR, we can also spot another KOR in the right side;
    - I really think that it can be Chewie fixing Kylo's helmet, look like his hands;
    - The speeder being pursued looks like the same ship that our heroes are riding;
    - It makes more sense, really, that the DS seeing in the teaser is the second one. But, Yavin IV probably has seas also, so maybe that DS is the first one and our heroes are in Yavin IV, not Endor (the scene with the medal maybe confirm that);
    - I hoped JJ was wise and careful if he brought Palpatine's back. You know, I would hate to see palpy with a lightsaber in his hands in some fighting or battle (PT nightmare). But I trust in JJ, TFA was amazing and I think TROS will be too.

    PS. I have the impression that the medal (in Leia's hand?) Belongs or will be give to Chewie. I think is a scene that JJ did to please the fans. Some of us complaint that Chewie never received one...hehehe
     
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    Agreed I wanted the main trilogy to focus on the original characters too. But I am now hyped for the movie after this trailer after losing all interest due to TLJ.
     
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    The scene is reminiscent (somehow) - IMO - of Maul vs Qui Gon on Tatooine

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    So, what if is Carie Russel's character?


    I don't think those are the KNOR. I think they are the "Clan" of Rey's visions.
    And look at the weapon the guy Kylo knocks down holds... Maybe

    the rumors about the weird/medieval weapons are misleading. That is not to say that there are not KOR in the movie,
    but those weapons belong to the Clan
     
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    I agree with much of what you said. The ST had to tie to the PT/OT, or what is the point of calling them 7,8,9? In a sense, if they are feel too new and too original, than they will stick out like a sore thumb and won't connect with the previous narrative (I felt this was the one problem with TLJ in that the movie felt like a Stanalone instead of a Saga movie.)

    The return of the Emperor (in whatever form) to Episode 9 to sort of have everything come full circle is an interesting route to take. If it is handled right (where it doesn't diminish the ROTJ ending), then I think THIS could be the thing that ties the ST with the PT/OT and really puts its stamp that they are worthy of being called 7,8,9. But if the return of the Emperor (in whatever form) isn't handled right and it comes off as shoehorned then it could be a big mistep to the Trilogy. It's a big gamble, and right now I'm on board because my biggest problem with the ST hasn't been the quality of the movies, but the overall arc that ties them with the PT/OT. The return of the Emperor IS the reason I am really interested to see where this all goes now (and I don't mean it from a fanboy point of view), because this is the first time that I feel they are doing something really original to ties these movies together. I think The Emperor at the end of Episode 9 works alot better than Snoke in terms of the overall narrative of the Saga, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed as it has to be handled right and it will be the make or break of this movie, IMO.
     
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    Is Palpatine/Sidious mentioned at all in TFA? He's been in or mentioned in all the other saga films, but I'm trying to remember if he's in TFA? It's been a while since I read the novelisation, but I'm trying to recall if he's mentioned in that also?
     
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    Not in TFA.
    But in all honesty, I don't think that's a huge problem.
    Almost everyone knows who the guy is. It's not that hard to get the idea...

    However...


    "If Skywalker returns the Jedi Order will rise again"

    That was Snoke in ep. VII.

    Now... I know that in context that line was about Luke. But I always got the feeling that it was meant to foreshadow the real end game that JJ had in mind.

    And I cannot help but think, that it was (and perhaps it still is) about Anakin.

    So I don't know, if Sidius will be back in flesh and bones, but the movie will be about the conflict set in montion by Sidius, using and possibly creating Anakin (and therefore his bloodline).

    Who's going to rise... again? A new jedi order? Partially, but not only.

    JJ said that "legacy" is another theme.

    And I believe that a moral legacy vs a blood legacy can be another chance.

    Which makes perfect sense.
     
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    rumors are that Kylo has a new ship for this movie
    So it could be his ship. That being said I do agree that there is a chance that he is not the one flying it at that moment.
     
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    Bringing in Darth Sidious back to tie in the PT/OT/ST is a great idea! I'm glad JJ is bringing him back. I wonder if he"ll physically come back of he'll come back in spirit/ghost form. I'm open to the idea that they are searching for his Sith holocron as well.
     
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    Seems to me when Rey flips she is going through, or it's going through her. Maybe it's a vision? Dream? I paused it at the moment the lightsaber is there and it does nothing and it's like going through her. Unless it's unfinished cgi.
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    No. Not mentioned but he spoke in Rey's force vision. He says"Any Jedi" which was from Revenge of the Sith
     
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    Perhaps the most jaw-dropping moment in the trailer however cannot be actually seen, but rather heard. As the screen fades to black and the new blue Star Wars logo begins to come into focus, the familiar maniacal laughter of the late Emperor Palpatine can be heard following Luke's line to Leia in The Last Jedi:
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    I'm divided on this reveal. On one hand, if done well it will make the sequel trilogy much more connected to the rest of the saga. If it is revealed in TROS that Palpatine was behind everything all along, it would retroactively make the PT, OT, and ST about the rise, rule, and fall of the Emperor. The saga would be a clear and complete story, but I'm not sure I would really like that.

    In my eyes, the Star Wars movies have been about the Jedi protagonists Luke, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Rey and changing that to make the saga about a villain, who was in the OT nothing more than a cackling, evil blank slate, seems wrong. Furthermore, it takes away from Kylo Ren story, if after betraying his master and becoming his own person, Snoke is replaced by another evil force sensitive master and Kylo becomes a pawn yet again. However, if Sidious appears as a force ghost to Kylo and helps guide him, which parallels the guidance Rey is getting from ghost Luke, then I would have zero problems with the return of the character and believe that would be an incredibly interesting direction to take the story.

    I could be wrong and the Emperor could be brilliant (I do love Ian Mcdiarmid), I just hope TROS doesn't end with Rey and Kylo teaming up to defeat the Emperor on the Death Star II.
     
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    I share your sentiment and like others have said it will be all about the execution. Return of the Jedi is probably my favorite SW movie, especially the finale that still gives me the chills after so many viewings and so many years have passed. There's a real sense of closure in VI. Anakin was redeemed. The Sith were no more. The Prophecy of the Chosen One was resolved (or so it seemed). Luke saved his father, friends and the galaxy from Palpatine's evil tyranny. It was a very happy ending, and the saga seemed complete.

    Well, not really, apparently. And while a new power rising does justify a continuation to the story, it really wasn't that different in TFA and TLJ after all. Another Death Star, another dark lord which we know virtually nothing about, a refurbished Empire now known as the First Order. The Force awakens to combat that new old evil. Palpatine's return seems like reopening a very old chest that was closed for a long time. Why do we need this? Why does the story needs this?

    I love Palpatine and all about him in the PT and OT, but I thought that story had ended. Apparently not. I'm positive it will be well executed and that in December there's a good chance I'll be leaving the theater satisfied. However, and like you, I can't help to feel a bit divided on this reveal, at least for the time being.
     
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    I thought that first - but actually now, I think that hand is not a wookie one.
    Furthermore, I don't see why Chewie would fix Kylo Ren's mask.


    Lando is just enjoying the new functional hyperdrive.


    Aoh, I absolutely didn't thought that!
    To me, "We've passed everything we know" equals to "Let the past die" : I mean, these are two alternates forms of the same idea : the Sith and the Jedi are gone, Luke was the last of them, and Rey is about to lead us into a new generation.


    I thought first it was Han's medal in Leia's hands.
    This enhances the fact that medal has to end up around Chewie's neck.


    Him and Anakin.


    And they'll find it in the DS throne room ? Maybe.
     
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    I've just written a similar post on one of the other threads, but I think it is relevant here also. We should consider what Palpatine would bring to the plot dramatically. The difficult cul-de-sac of the last film was that Kylo Ren is now irredeemable, yet Rey (as the hero) cannot murder him, as Disney Heroes don't do that kind of thing. Palpatine will occupy the dramatic space between Kylo having to die, and also to be redeemed, by offering him a chance to give up his own life to defeat a bigger evil than himself. Expect most likely a re-run of the ROJ, except that Kylo will most likely be (almost) murdered by the Emperor first, save Rey unexpectedly as Palps is about to finish her off, then die of his wounds. It's not like Ren can walk away from this trilogy, at least not without facing some kind of Inter-Galactic War Crimes Tribunual, and that would be boring - he will have to 'finish what his grandfather started'.
     
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    She may give Chewy Hans’s medal.
     
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