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Starkiller base - original idea was better

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by daffy72, Feb 7, 2016.

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Do you think the original concept for Starkiller Base is better then what we got in TFA?

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  2. No

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  3. #PlagueisLives

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  1. daffy72

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    Well She said/She said broke down the original idea of Starkiller Base and it was much more interesting then what we got. Apparently it was to be fueled by Dark Matter, and in a process the First Order barely understood themselves punch a hole in the fabric of space time to deliver the payload.

     
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    I was impressed by the weapon's performance besides the talk about how it was to work.
     
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    Man, the potencial for awesomeness is lost...
     
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    It still works like that, as this line of the movie shows:
    "They've somehow created a hyper lightspeed weapon built within the planet itself" - Snap Wexley


    The sun-swallowing concept predates the novel too, dating back to May 2013. The concept being that the Dark Side/First Order prey on fear, and on a base level, people are afraid of the dark. So the idea that the First Order were going around the place turning off all the lights in the galaxy was kind of cool...
     
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    I do not think that many people had problems with the "physics" behind Starkiller Base's weapon. Their main concern seemed to be that the planet was just an updated version of the Death Star. Whether the base took its energy from a sun or from dark matter was not important, the base was too similar to its predecessor.
     
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    For me StarKiller base was the BEST weapon ever create from the "BAD GUYS" to destroy planets.Very impressive and watching how it works....:).
     
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    I think it all comes down to the visuals. It looks more impressive on the screen for the Starkiller to draw energy from a nearby star. It’s a constant reminder to the audience during those outdoors shots that the clock was ticking before it would be charged and ready to fire.

    And the part where the sun finally goes dark just at that moment where Kylo Ren makes his fateful decision while having his heart-to-heart with his Dad worked beautifully.

    And the beam being visible as it’s fired from the gun also works better visually than simply seeing planets explode. Good cinema is visual poetry, and from the POV shots on the planet of the beam firing upwards to the POV on the star destroyer watching it go on its way to exterminate billions, it really added to the horror of the act.
     
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    That actually makes me glad they chose to just make it a "third death star"
    Try explaining all of that to the audience; the same audience who apparently can't understand the difference between the Resistance and the Republic.
    (vader)"OMG OMG OMG I'm so confused!! I need a long-winded technical explanation!! How does the weapon work!?":eek:
    (pod)"Well, uh.. They don't know. It, uh.. eats dark matter..?":confused:
    (vader)"THAT'S BAD STORYTELLING!! They should have just made a third Death Star! The movie is FAIL!! Star Wars is dead! Star Wars BURNS in HELL!!":mad:
    (pod)"Good grief...":(
     
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    I don't care which pseudo scientific explanation they use in a universe that doesn't care about natural science. Remember the last time they tried that, anyone wants some midicloreans?
     
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    Still 2 movies to go ;)

    That might be the weapon for Episode 9
     
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    Well, it's the 21st century, so we get to see the first order using renewable enery sources for their weapon of mass destruction.
     
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    The more I hear about TFA the more I look back on it and realize how much they left out. There is such a thing as no exposition hurting a film. This film had no exposition what so ever, then you have the polar opposite from guys like Nolan; too much exposition. I still don't have a clear idea of what system was destroyed. We saw a city and we automatically think Coruscant? but the movie never really tells us anything. Fas can complain can try and tell me I just didn't get it and maybe I didn't but I shouldn't have to dive into to several novels to get my answer. I want to see a Directors cut of the film with all the proper film stuff left in.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 9, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 9, 2016 ---
    Star Wars is known for ignoring the Science side, but there is a difference between that and exposition. We as an audience have to know what's going on. That whole system destruction sequence was quick, with no explanation as to what the hell was going on at all. something like that happens in like 30 seconds and is never touched on again through out the rest of the film. I think the rules (or lack of) in the Star Wars Universe can make for some cheap writing, just saying.
     
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    I just think the starkiller is a very interesting story space and is much better executed than both the first and especially the second deathstar:

    a. the weapon is base built into a planet with a distinct ecology and atmosphere to it. The ecology and atmosphere changes.
    b. firing the weapon is a planetary event which affects all its occupants (fear and awe on the crew and Hux whn the weapon is fired.
    c. the weapon firing recalls images of nuclear warfare. It is consciously framed as a horrific yet also aesthetically beatifull event. But the weapon as it fires is always shown to affect both its users and its victims. We see the victims final moments. We also see the rest of the galaxy, embodied by Maz Castle, witnissing the atrocity. The two deathstar's firing were pretty shallow events.
    d. The moment the Starkiller fires makes Finn realize why he ran in the first place and that a similar fate could happen to his new found friend Rey. The weapon's effects thus force a decision on Finn whether he should desperately run or should find a new belonging with Rey and rescue her.
    e. The Starkiller is the culmination of a slowly built up atmospheric change in the story which reflects the emotional weight and tense of the three acts. Jakku, light and warm. Takodana, temperate, green and shadowy. Starkiller, cold and dark. The light/dark symbolism also returns in the charging of the weapon. The darker starkiller story space becomes the less chance our heroes have in defeating the First order. When they win, the light returns. The oscilator reminds me of a second world war german flak tower. Again when they enter the tower and Han and Kylo confront eachother, the blue/red light symbolism returns
    f. The duel is very aesthetically pleasing: the lightsabres in the snow are phenomenal. The blue/red light symbolism returns
    g. In the third act the starkiller functions as prison/castle space from which are heroes must escape. The escape and space acually manages to reveal something about the characters: Rey discovering her powers, Finn's heroism aknowledged.
    h. Starkiller also contains analogous spaces which recall the corridors of the first death star but never in such a way as to mimic it. Starkiller is more cavernous which tells us something about the "hidden" motives and objectives of the First Order.
     
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    It is not cheap writing, basicly it is the same way the Deathstar was explained, we just filled the gaps in the past decades with EU stuff. We never knew how the Deathstar was powered or how the beams were focused or where its propulsion systems were. It is less explained because it is actually not important, Starkiller sucked out a sun, we see that, without exposition, and fires at the Hosnian System, nothing else is really needed.
     
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    Yeah and if they would have explained it in the movie it would have been useless and almost funny redundant exposition:


     
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    Wonderfully said!!
     
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    The film literally told you it was the Hosnian system that got blasted. And yes, this film had a considerable amount of exposition. Poe explained his whereabouts to Finn via exposition. Finn explained how Starkiller works via exposition. Kylo Ren's back story is explained via exposition. You do not need to read any books; all the essential information is in the movie. And you have no excuse anymore as the bootleg has been on the Internet for well over a month. So you don't even have to spend money to get those answers.
    Yes, you should not be required to read a book to understand a movie. But you are required to pay attention to what is said in the movie itself. And no, that is not a sign of bad storytelling, that is a standard that any filmmaker asks of his audience. If you don't live up to your end of the bargain then that is on you, not the filmmaker.
    @Fooled Trooper You may dislike it, but you cannot disagree with it.
     
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    I am not sure which one I should vote for. I like both of them. When they were refering to dark matter I was thinking about Futurerama from the tv show.
     
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    This
    Never in my Fan-Life did I cared less for the fictional genocid on screen. Alderaan at least had Leia was a representative for us in the movie to connect with...Hosnia Prime never had the same impact on anyone in the cinema. Only blank faces. I watched in disbelieve thinking that this City Planet was Coruscant. But it was not and I coulnd´t care less.

    This does tell you enough about the storytelling on one crucial moment in the TFA.
     
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