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Starships and other vehicles in TLJ

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Star Dude, May 29, 2017.

  1. Ammianus Marcellinus

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    Will the Resistance and Rebels ever get ground vehicles in these movies? :p
    As for the FO bombers...........I have the idea that the Crait scene kept on developing even after they presented reference material to third parties and merchandise.
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    The AT-AT in this piece is an old one.
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    Who are these guys. Definitely not snowtroopers, because their helmets are different. Possibly these guys?
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    I'm wondering if the AT-M6's will be able to climb. There's a possibility that the knuckles they walk on unhinge. I've also heard those ridges on the front legs are to cut cables, but they don't look very 'sharp' to me - it seems to be just a bunch of flat surfaces. If anything it would be a better place for a cable to grip. Plus they don't provide protection above, below, or on the back legs. If they aren't just there to 'look cool' then perhaps they serve another purpose. Perhaps climbing. Maybe we'll see them scale the mountainous ridge they are approaching?
     
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    I can only guess (of course) who these two guys are that you pointed out. From the posture I assume that you’re right that these the heavy gunner type because it seems they’re carrying longer weapons in front of them and definitely have a backpack style application on their back.

    What I’m missing until today, besides that Lego mini figure, are the driver and pilots for all those vehicles we’ve seen. So from Lego we can assume they go with the tradition and use TIE Pilot uniforms and just make them white for the AT-M6 drivers.

    Back in the days, we had 5 different ones. I wonder how much equivalents we get with the First Oder.

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    I also miss any Scout Trooper equivalent from the First Order so far!
     
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    When it comes to ship designs, it's kind of strange that Rogue One offered more diversity and originality than what the ST has been offering so far.

    At the moment, I think most fans are OK with seeing X-wings and TIE-fighters again and again 30 years after ROTJ. However, sooner or later even the most stubborn fans will get tired of seeing the same ship designs.
     
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    The First Order crewman is always depicted alongside the scout variants (see the trailer and lego packaging)
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    As for the AT-AT and AT-M6s drivers. It is actually a white version of a First Order pilot
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    I seriously disagree about Rogue One. Rogue One gave us 6 new designs (U-Wing, Hovertank, Rebel Flagship, Cargo Shuttle, a new tie, and Krennic's shuttle. The sequel trilogy has offered dozens so far, (TLJ) included. In TFA alone: two new walkers, 1 new tie, 1 first order speeder, 1 new Stardestroyer (with negative spaces and being asymmetric - never done before, a new X-Wing, Kylo's shuttle, Resistance landingcraft, First Order landing barge. I can continue: Rey's speederbike, the Quadjumper.

    This might be some fans' perception, but I'm convinced they either didn't look good enough or just like to buy into the rather dubious and mistaken narrative that TFA was 'unoriginal'.
     
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    It's not a "mistaken narrative", since it's not "some fans" perception that TFA was unoriginal when it comes to world-building and design. Most professional critics pointed this out as well, but gave it a pass since they thought the movie as a whole was amazing.

    I'm not saying that it's necessarily a bad thing, since (just like critics said), TFA probably 'needed' to have all these familiar elements in order to reignite the franchise. But to come and outright suggest that TFA was full of originality, that's just wrong on so many levels. It's called denial.

    I'd say that Rogue One and TFA basically did the same thing: tweaked designs of OT ships. However, the comparison is unfair since Rogue One takes place in the OT era, while TFA takes place 30 years after.
     
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    I've yet to understand the purpose of the AT-ATs. Is it just to show how much more impressive the AT-M6 is? Or is it akin to having PT boats alongside battleships and aircraft carriers in World War 2?
     
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    Well, it is primarily functional to visual storytelling. To show you first of all how big these new walkers are and in extention how much more powerful The First Order is compared to the empire. A real threat. That's of course the real reason.

    In universe, I would say armoured personel carriers (troop transports) or command vehicles.
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    But TFA takes place in the OT era as well. Think about it. :p
     
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    So as some have expressed their positive feelings about TLJ elsewhere, let’s do some nitpicking also… ;)

    The type of bomber ship used in the battle above D’Qar seem really to be a big bang asset added to the Resistance’s resources.
    bombers.jpg

    But did everybody noticed that they just performed like sitting ducks when those TIEs came rushing in? And how painfully slow the remaining bomber was when literally crawling above that 1st Order dreadnaught before delivering it’s payload of what, a hundred proton bombs?
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    One bomber was enough to destroy a heavily armored and shielded Mandator IV-class Dreadnought with 7.67 km in length, which is almost have the size of a Super Star Destroyer.
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    I wonder how much havoc these bombers could unfold onto even larger space ships or stations, when numbering into a dozen.

    And what do you guys think about the overall representations of ships and vehicles in TLJ? What was the vehicle or ship that impressed you the most?
     
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    I loved the sequence of the dreadnought and the bomber. You know, sometimes we need a little drama and suspense. Tha's why the bomber was so slow. Also I think RJ used the same argument that we saw in the DS I, DS II, Trade Federantion ship and starkiller.base: Chain reaction effect.

    I really liked the designs for the ships to this movie. Specially Kylo's fighter. And I was happy to see Kylo's shuttle once again flying over the At-At's.
     
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    My nitpick with the bombers wasn't their speed - let's be honest, they're not fighters, so something more lumbering made a bit more sense (though considering the old TIE bomber my argument makes no sense :rolleyes:)... it was more about space 'gravity'. Why would these bombs drop like that?
    Still, trying not to get hung up on such semantics when there's already
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    to consider... QED: space is a weird thing in a GFFA :D
     
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    The past films had epic and dramatic space battles with ships that actually seemed viable to use in the context of the Star Wars universe. That's kind of the difference.

    Yeah, the crappy StarFortresses aside, the other ships were good. Especially the Silencer. Seeing Kylo fly that thing around was badass. I love how they integrated the armament in it as well. Seemed practical.
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    They took the WWII analogs to a ridiculous extreme is what happened.
     
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    That answered in the VD
    PUTING IN A SPOILER.
    There are propelled out to the bom bay bay by electromagnetic plates & then drawn magnetically to there target.
     
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    Yeah, but that unfortunately doesn't solve the problem of the bomb bay exposing the payload to enemy fire, ultimately endangering the crew and the ship.
     
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    Don’t get me wrong – I like the bombers design very much. It actually looks way more OT by design, as something that the Corellian Engineering Corp. would have put out – but nothing really ‘new’ in a arsenal. The inside looked a bit like from a good old Corellian ‘Blockade Runner’ CR95 Corvette by design.

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    Actually I’ve to wait for Xmas to get hold of that book, it’s no option to get it before by myself. So I have to rely on you guys for solid information until then. So is there any hint on the production company of that ship, or even a more precise naming then just ‘Resistance Bomber’?

    Talking about the old Blockade Runner brings me to another point: I had the feeling that the two capital ships accompanying the Mon Cal Cruiser Raddus were the modern variants of a Nebulon-B frigate and the equivalent of a CR95 Corvette, but with 4 extensions on the main body. But I was so distracted by the story that I’m not sure I spotted that correctly.
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    Begging your pardon guys for being such an ignorant noob, as the interweb has all the answers I sought - even on the German SW side…


    Resistance Bombers
    MG-100 StarFortress
    Manufacturer: Slayn & Korpil
    Payload: 1048 Proton bombs


    Resistance Fleet Capital Ships

    Corvette ‘Ninka’
    Free Virgillia-class Bunkerbuster
    Manufacturer: Corellian Eng. Corp.
    Length 316 m
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    Frigate ‘Anodyne’
    Nebulon-C Frigate
    Manufacturer: Kuat Drive Yards
    Length 549 m
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    Freighter ‘Vigil’


    see:
    https://jedi-bibliothek.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/TLJ-VD-22.jpg

    https://jedi-bibliothek.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/TLJ-ICS-10.jpg

    https://jedi-bibliothek.de/2017/12/vorschauseiten-zur-the-last-jedi-literatur-von-dk/
     
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    See, that makes more sense - perhaps a token "magna-bombs armed" comment from one of the bombers would have explained that away on screen ;)

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    Hey fellow starship fan, so the Resistance no longer has a fleet and apparently their entire remaining A and X wing squadrons have been destroyed - what do you reckon we'll see in IX, a return of the known fighters or something new?
     
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    That is a really interesting question indeed!

    Of course it absolutely depends were they want to take the story. From what I understood so far, the ‘Supremacy’ was something like the mobile capital of the First Order including Shipyards and vehicle workshops. But that thing was trashed by Holdo with the Raddus, so I would like to know how the infrastructure of the 1st Order will look like in the next movie.

    The time element will have the biggest impact on what types of ships and vehicle types that could be used by both sides. Would it take place 3, 5 or even more years into the future, it will generate the option the the Mon Calamaris or other manufactures put out new capital ships for the Resistance.

    With Leia’s call for support to all her Outer Rim contacts, I hope that some will respond, bringing their hardware with them. Also, those wartime profiteers seen on Canto Bight will try to make a bug by selling vessels from the Corellian Engineering Corporation, Kuat Drive Yards, Rendili StarDrive, Incom, etc. to the Resistance if they have the money.

    I hope that Rear Admiral Dameron will have a full strike fleet under his command, including old and new capital ships and fighters. And please, not just X-wings and A-wings.

    Same on the side of the 1st Order: Kylos TIE silencer is a prototype model that after field testing, Sienar-Jaemus Fleet Systems is planning to mass produce and deliver it to the 1st Order for front line duty, based on their request of a successor fighter for the late TIE Defender, as the 1st Order as same as Thrawn back then, have realized the potential of such a space superior fighter.
    TIE_Silencer.jpg

    I can also think of a sleek Entrepreneur, throwing his hat into the ring in remembrance of Han & Leia. Maybe that smooth talker could raise a fleet of Pirates, Smugglers and Cloud Cars. In that same context, remember that Maz Kanata is convinced that this Darkness and the 1st Order needs to be fought. So hopefully she brings also her share to the table. Which could make for all Kinds of old and new ships from the fringe of the galaxy.

    So maybe we get the 1st Order TIE Bombers from the concept art for Crait.

    And also, I’m a fan of walkers, so maybe those modified AT-ST’s with their new gyroscopic system and advanced armor plating show up again.
    1stOtder_AS-ST.jpg

    Talking about walkers: As we were now introduced to the AT-HH (All Terrain Heavy Haulers), pulling the siege cannon foreward with a multitude of crab-like legs, we still need to see the AT-PD (All Terrain Patrol Droid) and AT-HS (All Terrain Heavy Scout).
    AT-HH.jpg

    So I hope, with this big potential, we will see a lot of new and old vehicles. A man can dream, a man can dream…
     
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    I don't know how they can get away with referrinf to the Haulers as 'All Terrain' they looked very much limited to pool-table flat surfaces!

    Good shout on the Heavy Scout though - when I saw the Lego release I assumed it would feature in the movie - but I guess, like the FO Snowspeeder, it may have been relegated to the cutting room floor

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    When watching that Lego model, I’m glad they had this cutting room floor thing ongoing.

    I wonder what/if the FO will salvage stuff from the demolished ‘Supremacy‘. Will they retrieve vehicles and other stuff from the debris? Might be worth an expedition reconsidering the pure size of that thing.
     
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    That's a good question just how intact is the Supremacy as it was not a direct hit by the Raddus but off to one side & it appears to shear off one end of it sure they is going to be a hell of a lot of damage but it may still be a least partially usable ( I have only seen the film once & was kind of distracted by what had just happened to see if the whole thing gets blown up or not)
     
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