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Suggestions to JJ ABRAMS

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Xeven, Jul 4, 2018.

  1. Xeven

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    Do not destroy the characters that Lucas created.
    Do build upon those characters by expanding the new characters.
    Continue the Skywalker plot.
    Fix Luke. Rian destroyed Star Wars by character assasination of Luke.
    Don’t be cute. Ghost Yoda was cute. Yoda should be wise, Luke should be hero and wise.
    No Mary Poppins.
    Kylo can not be redeemed but he might have a great Jedi, good child.
    Rey should be Luke Skywalker Child.
    Bring Darth Vader back.
    Bring the Sith back.
    Bring the Jedi back.
    Bring Lando back.
    Make Lando kid..
    Darth Plagiues livestream! Kill chick Rian in the balls.
     
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    - I don't think Lucas' characters have been destroyed so this is a moot point
    - Agreed, need to expand the new characters.
    - Time for the Skywalker plot to end.
    - Luke is not broken, so there is nothing to "fix". Culminating the last movie as the most powerful Jedi we have ever seen always seems to escape the haters.
    - Ghost Yoda was Yoda, through and through.
    - Since Leia will not be in IX I don't follow you on this one.
    - I am fine with Rey not being related to anyone we know.
    - Bring Vader back? Not sure I follow you.
    - The Sith are beyond usefulness, no need to "bring them back"
    - Billy Dee Williams is 80.....nuff said.
    - No more kids of previous characters.
    - I don't want to see Darth Plagueis, especially not to kick Rian Johnson....
     
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    Do something creative for once, instead of parroting elements from a past film.

    That is all.
     
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    1. They haven't been
    2. No
    3. He's not broke and Rian didn't do no such a thing
    4. Yoda was great as always
    5. A force ghost mary poppins would be cool
    6. He can be if they decide to but I don't want him redeemed
    7. No she shouldn't. Or anyone else either
    8. That would be weird if Vader came back
    9. Sith are gone
    10. The Jedi just might but in a different way
    11. He might but I don't expect much
    12. No Lando kids
    13. No Plagieus. No killing Rian or his balls
     
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    Is this for real... I only disliked for that last bit. For a film to piss you off so badly you "want" that to happen?

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    1. I agree, stop ruining the OT characters. Turning Han into a deadbeat dad? Luke into whatever the hell that was, enough of that.
    2. I also agree here. Build on the characters and make the new ones more than just paper thin.
    3. I'm not sure they CAN continue the Skywalker plot, unless Luke Lives! LOL
    4. I don't mind "grumpy and war torn Luke" but there needs to be an explanation for how he got there. And this ridiculousness that it's all because he had a momentary lapse of reason just does NOT cut it.
    5. I kind of like the "crazy Yoda" but I can see why some would argue there was no need for that version as he wasn't trying to fool Luke.
    6. Dear god yes. That was just garbage.
    7. I am not sure I'd have him redeemed in IX. Keep him villainous and then you can have him as the bad guy in an entire other trilogy.
    8. Rey... so much potential there. I don't mind the idea of her as the "everyman" but they've made her so perfect that we need a real explanation for it. Heck she is way more adept than Anakin was, and he was born out of the bloody force!!! And it's been what, a week?? Two??? Seriously. Development is needed.
    9-11. I"m not sure why they are so against the bloody Jedi/Sith. That's what makes Star Wars Star Wars. They are the heart of the IP. So I agree. Bring them back. I don't think we need Vader, but force ghost Anakin, played by Hayden C would be cool.
    12. I think Lando is coming back, finally!!!
    13. A Lando child?
    14. Lmao. I will leave this one alone, but I'm definitely not RJ's biggest fan. ;)
     
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    You do realize though that Kylo is a Skywalker, right? "That mighty Skywalker blood." I don't think Yoda was "crazy Yoda." I mean, he was no more different then when he introduced himself to Luke in Empire. He transitioned into the wise Yoda after his lightning strike.
     
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    I meant by saying continuing the Skywalker thing would be difficult considering 2/3 of the Skywalker are gone. Sorry if I was misleading.
     
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    I would never be so bold in real life, but here it is. Do something with the opportunities Rian gave you, don't try to please everyone, be bold, do your thing. Take Star Wars forwards not backwards. And maybe, just maybe, forget the mystery boxes for once. That's all.
     
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    What does this even mean?
     
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    • Don't do a third film in a row of will Kylo turn good or not.
    • Make the priority be where would the story naturally go after the Last Jedi. The story of the force awakens seems to have been based on let’s give people a Star Wars that feels familiar, the last jedi’s story seems to have been based on the idea of subverting people’s expectations of Star Wars. No one seems to have started telling a story with simple philosophy of “what would make sense to happen next in this story?”
    • Start with a funeral for Leia
    • Develop the character of Rey, it been two films and they have spent so much time on the mystery of her backstory they have hardly developed her as her own person.
    • If you pose a question or set up a mystery make sure you have a good answer.
    • Only include characters if you actually have something for them to do in the plot. Don't just force plotlines to include a character no matter how significant that character is.
    • Kill Hux early on!
     
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    Don't worry, there aren't much characters left in IX to "destroy" :p

    You mean by using Kylo Ren? Check.

    That's your opinion. I hope JJ uses Luke as troll device for Kylo Ren.

    Wasn't Yoda cute in TESB too? I sure think so.

    Everyone can get redeemed. Look at Vader, the most gruesome man in the galaxy.

    Now this would destroy Luke's character for real. ;D

    The Sith are gone for good.

    This will definitely happen.

    As long as it isn't Finn...

    JJ actually said he won't listen to the fans. So he may finally tell the story he wants to tell. Let's see whether we will like it or not...

    Yes. Start with a funeral where all the characters are present (even Kylo Ren).

    You don't kill the main villain early. :p
     
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    So Snokes alive? Phew :p
     
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    JJ Abrams will make a great movie. TFA was great, TLJ was great.
     
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    Damn, have you really been stewing about the Sith being wiped out since 1983 when Lucas zilched them out by having Vader kill Palpatine and then having Vader die as well?

    No need to bring the Jedi back, Luke declared he would not be the last.

    Yoda was as wise as ever and more.

    Rey is Rey regardless of her parentage.

    Why are you stressed about a lie told by a supremely wicked man to turn Anakin to evil and why do you think said figment will "Kill chick Rian in the balls.", whatever that means?
     
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    I would agree. I think one of the things RJ did was not leaving mystery boxes such a character isolated on an island or someone's parents for the next director to address. He wrapped his story up and left it wide open for the next director to take it in any direction they wanted.
     
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    I'm not sure this is necessarily a good thing when dealing with a trilogy at least in normal circumstances, when done best they feel like one connected story where different mysterious are set up and revealed along the way.

    Of course, you can make the case that as the philosophy behind this trilogy has been let each director go in any direction they chose without a predefined story path, in this case, leaving a blank slate may work better. As a director doesn't have to try and figure out answers possed by a different writer.

    I do feel the sort of full stop at the end of Last Jedi does mean this isn't going to feel like a normal trilogy ending as a lot more time is going to have to be given to the set up of the story then is usually the case in the closing part of a trilogy. Which could be a good thing, as in a lot of trilogies the closing chapter is considered the weakest (though I can name quite a few exceptions).

    I also think people are underestimating how much not carrying any mysterious over into episode 9 is going to hurt the box office, for the 2 years before the last Jedi, the theorising and buzz going into that film was fever pitch both from star wars fans and the general movie population wanting to know the answers to the questions posed. Since the last Jedi, the number of people speculating about episode 9 seems to be minimal compared to between the Force awakens and the Last Jedi. I can't imagine this having a positive effect on the box office when we live in an age of where the films and TV programs that are most popular seem to wrapped in mysterious cliffhangers and theorising. Of course, it could have a very positive effect on peoples viewing going in with blank expectations.

    I don't really have a problem with JJ's mystery box thing, I think he sets up mysterious really well, my complaint with his works going all the way back to Alias and right through to the Force Awakens, is that while he does a great job setting up mysterious he doesn't seem to spend the time working out an answer to them. I guess though we won't have that problem in episode 9, as basically it is going to a self-contained story so any mysteries he poses he has to answer in the same film and so has to work out the answers.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 6, 2018, Original Post Date: Jul 6, 2018 ---
    Read this a few days ago when it popped up on my facebook feed. It's a good read well written and interesting glimpse into a good writers relationship to Star Wars as a fan during what has happened since the last Jedi as well as his experiences with Star Wars growing up and through the prequels into the Disney era.

    I would say, as the Author himself admits it is a very biased point of view, and he is written by someone who loves the Last Jedi and believes other people should love it too. So if you don't like the film then it will likely not feel very representative of your views and will feel very biased. But if you are interested in reading a well-written article about the state of star wars from the view of someone who loves the last Jedi it is a good read.

    Also, be warned its very long, will probably take you 30 mins plus to read it all.
     
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    I dont recall the author stating that other people should love it too. He does go into discussions of poor negative arguments and trying to get people to discuss film positively or negatively using the same language so they dont talk past each other. He dismisses people that use the typical toxic vile terms to rip TLJ and people associated with TLJ, as he should. Then tried to have discussion with the rest over the negative points that they paint. Tell you what I would love someone with a negative view to actually write something that I could read to try and understand why they have a negative view. Most of the time the negative views that I come across fit on twitter. If they are longer they are filled with toxic vile terms and I just pass over them.

    Since I read this I read a couple of other essays by the author. The one on Infinity War is spot on. Hey I had a lot of fun watching Infinity War twice, but each time it was the same film and the way it was ended it had no consequences. Turned out that it was just a jump from one action scenes to another with a little humor thrown in.
     
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    He does say he is biased and while his discussion on the films positives and negatives is very interesting and well done, and never insulting to those fans who have none toxic negative views on the film it very much comes across as coming from a place of some one who loves the film and feels others should love it too. I'm not saying that in an insulting way, it is every well written and argued article, but very much feels like it is written from that side of the debate on the film. It's still a good read though, it always good to read well written pieces even if you don't always agree with the persons overall opinion.

    I might check out some more articles by the author, if they are equally well written.
     
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