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Surprise! Episode IX Discovery aided by LucasFilm Story Group.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by The Futurition, Dec 25, 2018.

  1. The Futurition

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    ''Sorry, this doesn't have anything to do with Episode IX.''

    That was your extent to this threads contribution. You, who's been here since 16' and with over 3,000 posts. A messenger of what exactly? A Lucasfilm Story group employee denying a connection to episode IX?? I didn't see you answer my question. I will answer yours though. It's not one thread, but 3 tweet threads where this was discussed, and nowhere did Matt Martin ''speculate'' about anything. If anything he knows, but will not say anything.

    So my question to you is, in the nearly 3 years you've been here, have you once seen a LFSG employee confirm anything in relation to any rumors of the recent films?
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    The one thing Episode IX has going for it as far as an audience accepting new concepts, was Rey and Kylo's force skype.

    Even harder to understand for the audience was them thinking ok their bond is strong for that to happen, and then curve ball by Snoke. ''It was I who bridged your minds together''
    so...I personally don't think they will use the World between Worlds for Kylo, (well, really anything is possible now), but I do believe that he will want to channel as much dark force energy as he can from Mustafar. He was in such shock, not only at Rey's force strength in the interrogation scene, but at the ''You're afraid you'll never be as strong as Darth Vader'' line she stole from within his deepest part.

    He's been defeated by Rey and outsmarted by Luke, could not find it within him to kill his mother. He definitely has issues with how strong he is to deal with all of that.
     
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    You created a thread about a Lucasfilm employee's tweet about a comic. He clarified his tweet and there's been much discussion about what he's talking about if you took five minutes to research it. I don't understand why you're being hostile towards me for simply pointing out this isn't about Episode IX.
     
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    If the WBW is opened and somehow Ashoka and Ezra are there and become relevant to the conclusion of the story, then that would probably leave some people confused because those characters would appear to be last minute additions to the saga if you haven't watched the TV shows. But the concept of the WBW itself, or the idea of using the force to undo actions from the past would not be that difficult for "general audiences" to grasp. Darth Vader is one of the greatest characters in the history of film, or even in the history of human storytelling. I wouldn't underestimate how much Disney values Vader, and how far they'd go to include him in the story. Or even how awesome it would be to see him come back, if it was done well.

    Weather or not it's a good plot for the final chapter is another matter. But in a universe where there are laser sword wielding knights with magic telekinetic powers, talking teddy bears, hyperspace travel, space stations that can destroy planets with a single laser beam, and a main character that was created in a virgin birth...Time travel is by no means too far out.
     
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    haha, come on man. No hostility, a simple question you have yet to answer.

    Correct I did, as I'm also very sure that it was more than just creating a thread about a comic, i showed clear implications with this trilogy and EP IX.

    As in saying, it had nothing to do with IX ? hence my question to you, that you have yet to answer. I'll ask again, have you ever seen a LFSG employee reveal a film plot point before it's release? or confirm a rumor of a future release?

    I answered you above, why do you make it sound like I didn't? don't cop out like that.. This is what I answered you. ''It's not one thread, but 3 tweet threads where this was discussed, and nowhere did Matt Martin ''speculate'' about anything. If anything he knows, but will not say anything''

    I showed you why, and i'm far from being hostile, I simply asked you a question. You gave no explanation, you naively took it at face value that even though Matt Martin said he wasn't going to answer or give it away, as soon as he said it had nothing to do with IX, you said ''yep, there you have it''

    So I ask you now a second question to go with my first one. Even though the thread clearly shows a connection between Snoke's ring, Kylo Ren, Mustafar, Vader and the recent revelations in the comic, why can't you see it's direct connection to Ep IX?

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    I agree, I don't think the WBW or time travel is an option for this film, IX.
    I can see Kylo Ren going to Mustafar to harness the dark power energy that Vader's castle was built upon, or at least that they imply it happened during the 1 year skip. JJ had the whole, objects belonging to sith hold dark power energy thing going. Vader's burnt mask in TFA, I believe had to be that, when Kylo was speaking to it. For those reasons alone, I can see Kylo going to Mustafar. Although somewhere that might already have happened as Snoke's ring (rock) comes from underneath the castle. Perhaps when seducing Ben Solo, he did it there to complete the transition?
     
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    I think there is something very relevant in the idea that Sith ghosts can 'haunt' relics, because that has been referenced in several instances in the new non-film canon. Plus the conversation Kylo has with Vader's mask in TFA where he says "show me AGAIN the power of the darkness" implies that he has already had a connection to Vader before. In TFA concept art they show Vader and Anakin as two separate force ghosts. I think JJ may resurrect this idea (pun intended) and use it to bring Darth Vader back in episode 9.

    I'm not saying this would be a good idea - I have a hard time thinking of ways they could do this without it feeling ham-fisted or silly. But the more I think about it, the more I'm starting to feel like Disney / JJ / Lucasfilm will do it...
     
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    I believe the comic is not different than Rebels WBTW in the sense that Vader is hearing words said in the past or in the future by other people, just like Ezra did.
    That’s all.
    There’s not a deeper connection with Kylo.
    His words are there just like ghise pf Shmi, Sidius etc...
    That said I don’t think the nc holds any clue related to the main saga.
    I believed that was the case but I guess it’s pretty obvious by non is not.
    In the other hand, they can surely do whatever they want in IX. Eden more so because of the creative freedom LF is giving ti his authors. All of them.
    Il they want to explore further this kind of staff in IX they will.
    It’s not a path. Just a chance
     
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    Exactly. He did say ''again'' when speaking to the relic. I'm pretty sure JJ had plenty of ideas on where this was to go. He did write a treatment script for VIII but RJ scrapped it completely. Did his own thing, which i think was a mistake continuity wise. In a way, I'm really glad they brought Abrams back for IX. I truly believe he will complete the trilogy ideas he had for this film. I also believe Vader will be in it in some form, it just makes sense. Kylo has no one to guide his darkside path anymore with Snoke's death. I mean, he has to try to somehow summon that energy from Vader.
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    There has to be a deeper connection to Ben Solo. See, ezra only heard plenty of chatter coming from everywhere in the WBW, and was really confused about it all. In this comic, Anakin/Vader actually sees & goes through events, all the while hearing words from:

    a) The future? Kylo (I find this unlikely)
    or
    b) His own, that he projects to Ben much later

    So there has to be a deeper connection, they wouldn't have put that in there, or wouldn't have needed to if they weren't purposely trying to bridge Ben and Vader.
     
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    @The Futurition to me is far more simple... Vader sees and hears people and scenes from the past (and those words are said by the people that said those words in universe, it’s not him telling them), he sees some scenes from the future (where he’s going to be present) and he hears a voice (only) form the future. That of Ben.
    The difference between him and Ezra might be only that Vader/Anakin has an actual connection to all those people.
    He knew them all, in all cases but one (Kylo) he was present or he’s going to be present when those words are spoken.
    Kylo is both the only one among them he won’t ever met and the only one he does not see.
    That could be the reason as to why Vader does not see him.

    But to tell you the truth... I believe this is overthinking.
    It’s just a storyline - imo - very similar to that of Ezra in Rebels.
     
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    I haven't read Vader 25 yet because I only read and collect trades now but, I honestly can't see them incorporating world between worlds into IX. It's too obscure. I KNOW Episode IX is gonna rock just as much as Soule's Vader.
     
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    They didn't and Matt said this wasn't about Episode IX. The talk about 25 is in regards to Anakin's birth and not about Episode IX.
     
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    Ok, good. I saw all the conversation/posts about Anakin's birth. Works for me. Make's his redemption even more meaningful.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That’s not meant to be taken literally... and no. I said subtle!</p>&mdash; Matt Martin (@missingwords) <a href="">December 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    The parts about Anakin's birth are there and are being talked about but Matt said that the things he is hinting about are far more subtle than those panels. When fans zoomed in on the mysterious orange/fiery shapes under the castle when Vader destroys the altar, Matt said they found the clue. I have no idea what those shapes are or what they are referring to. A lot of people see a Mandolorian helmet shape and two or three round buildings that look a little bit like Naboo. Matt confirmed that it wasn't Naboo but was something/somewhere else.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"> <a href="https://t.co/wqohLWq5ui">pic.twitter.com/wqohLWq5ui</a></p>&mdash; Matt Martin (@missingwords) <a href="">December 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This, from Vader #25, does indeed mean something. It’s not Naboo, but it’s cool. You’ll see. <a href="https://t.co/GI56xk2Kfw">https://t.co/GI56xk2Kfw</a></p>&mdash; Charles Soule (@CharlesSoule) <a href="">December 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Option B</p>&mdash; Matt Martin (@missingwords) <a href="">December 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It isn’t Kylo.</p>&mdash; Matt Martin (@missingwords) <a href="">December 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s that thing there. It doesn’t have a hidden meaning.</p>&mdash; Matt Martin (@missingwords) <a href="">December 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    It's a Darth Revan mask easter egg. Don't think it's TOO much more than a hint he may be coming back.
     
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    I see you've realized that you won't be able to answer any of my questions to you.

    See, that's just disrespectful right there.

    Please don't answer now unless its directly answering the two questions I've asked you.
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    I guess this is my point. The comic definitely reveals the words Ben Solo used in The Last Jedi. Just in the past.

    14.jpg


    So they are definitely bridging Vader, The WBW, and Ben Solo. Everything is always so calculated by the Story groups. It has to be connected to this trilogy, because the reverse is also right.


    Kylo-Ren-and-Darth-Vader.jpg
     
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    and btw, the talk about Vader #25 is not just about Anakin's father. it's much more than that. See you haven't read it. Next time don't bring a knife to a gun fight kid. (han)
     
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    It's a great series. Probably my favorite. It's about a lot of things, but as Matt said... what's he's discussing doesn't have to do with Episode IX. That's fine if you want to create a thread about Matt's tweets and selectively ignore the tweets that debunk the topic. Heck, I'll even grant you the possibility Matt decided to lie. Anything is possible.

    What I don't understand though, it your hostility to me for simply point out the source for your thread says it's not about a future film.

    If I had to bet, I'd bet on Matt being right and JJ Abrams not even being familiar with this series when he wrote the script for IX.

    Agree to disagree and move on.
     
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    We're all gonna find out soon. No need to argue. 2019 is going to be huge!
     
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    I think that if Vader makes any appearance in IX, it will be very brief in some sort of scene with Kylo. I don't feel like Kylo needs to "be led by another dark side force user" and can't think things out on his own. Is he unhinged? Sure. But why can't the rule of two be broken in this instance? Rey is just as alone in her struggle as Ben is. It's a 1 on 1 confrontation in the GFFA for the first time I think we have ever seen in canon. Sure, the Force will be at play in terms of potential Force ghosts, but if we have learned anything about them, it is that they impart knowledge and don't make situations better or worse for personal gain. The closest we ever saw to any Force ghosts effecting anything was Yoda using the Force to strike the tree with lightning, but that really didn't gain anyone anything. It just taught Luke a lesson to pass on what he had learned. I think he will do the same from the realm of the Force like those before him. I still never understood why people think half of Anakin Skywalker is out there in Force form on the dark sid just because they believe he is a "balance of the Force" in life and in spirit and he "has to have half and half of each" to somehow be relevant in that realm. He's redeemed in Return of the Jedi and balances the Force in that moment. The bigger question is why the Force would suddenly become unbalanced through Snoke. Was he born of the Force like Anakin? Only time will tell. We just have to play the waiting game for the next big scoop or trailer to get the general vibe of what Ep. IX is going to portray moving forward. Maybe there are bigger questions we have never considered lying in the midst of the script that need answering more than more trivial things like if Vader is talking to Kylo through time. We also have yet to see the rumored second apprentice to Snoke. That well seemed to dry up a long time ago and I hope that is brought back into the speculation fray.

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    Nothing is impossible in the GFFA, so keep the speculation rolling.
     
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    See man, that's great, thank you. This is what I was looking for. Compared to your complete dismissive backhand at the beginning, this is much more constructive.

    I didn't ignore Matt's tweets. I simply enhanced on something he shouldn't have opened a door on. 1+1+1+1 etc... As for JJ and Terrio, They certainly didn't have to read any comics to know where they could and could not go. They sat with the LFSG to discuss it for IX. The team, as always, give their insights and certain guidance since it has to be sooo meticulously planned out in canon.

    For me there is no WBW for IX. But Kylo in Mustafar? going as dark as he can summoning the power underneath the castle? that's a yeah for me.

    So for the rest of our opinions? we'll agree to disagree. In the end, thanks for being a stand up guy. Appreciate the effort.
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    Those are all interesting points. There is much to consider and speculate away in IX.

    One of those things, it think is the Anakin/darksider force. Isn't that one of those thoughts brought on by the dark side relics? I know that an appearance by Anakin Skywalker's Force ghost was originally planned for The Force Awakens. As seen in the concept art.

    So they must have touched on the subject for the script.

    Snoke's ring from Mustafar is also one of them. Apparently dark side energy lives within them. Who know's who snoke's second apprentice is/was. That is also something that may be in IX.
     
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    According the story Group they go where the stories Go Id be Surprised if anything connects to either The PT or OT I think Culmination will be more Thematically than Directly The Sequel Trilogy is about Legacy I doubt we will see any reflects from a Long time past The story group may have given suggestions but I to Terrio and Abrams while writing the script the great thing about LFSG is that they don't prohibit their creative freedom and I'm ok with With Episode.IX not directly connect to the OT/PT the Entire Sequel Trilogy is about Legacy
     
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