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SPOILER TBOBF Ep. 3 - The Streets of Mos Espa

Discussion in 'The Book of Boba Fett' started by Lord Phanatic, Jan 12, 2022.

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    If you're enjoying it, don't let my opinion spoil it for you. But I'm quite underwhelmed by this show so far. I come to every episode with an open heart,
    ready to look for things to celebrate, but it's just not doing it for me.

    There are lots of individual parts I enjoy. The Wookiee attack was great. The Tatooine kids are great.

    But as an overall story, it just isn't coming together. There's no urgency. There's no sense of "why." We're told over and over that the streets are in chaos and everyone is waiting for Boba's next move, but we never see it or feel it. They play the reveal of the Pikes like it's a big mic drop, but Boba already whooped them in the past--why should I feel like they're some massive threat now?

    Frankly, it's bizarre to me that this is the same creative team from Mando, because the storytelling quality just isn't half as good.
     
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    That's the dream of the century, it would cost too much to de-age Luke, unless they bring her in as a brand new character with a new origin story, maybe. The red head who played Nebula in the Marvel movies would be excellent casting. Still I think its a fan boys dream that will never come to fruition so forget about it... hehe save yourself the trouble my friend (death star)
     
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    I don't think I could have said it better myself. I was thinking this show would be cool. So far it's a big disappointment for me.

    I hope it gets better, and I'll watch it to the end. But man, if I had to grade this? I'd give it a C- so far.
     
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    Honest statement I appreciate your candor. One thing that annoys me the most is when people say, its a show they never wanted... what do you want actually? Do you really know what you want or... do you wanna tell us your story?

    The Mandalorian was originally a Boba Fett Story. Jon Favreau could not use the Boba Fett story he wanted to tell because Boba was in production for a film, so my point is Mandalorian is a Boba Fett story... Mando is the substitute, not the other way around, if you get my meaning... Boba's Story may have been just as bad ass as Mando's. What if BOBA had become Grogu's guardian till he found a Jedi? He would have been a father instead of a crime lord.

    Boba Fett takes off his helmet way too much but I think it bothers me because Mando never took off his helmet. It obviously to show contrast in the same sort of character different sects of Mando... Bo Katan etc.

    That's how I approach it, every story I'm being told. I don't watch a film or series with my expectations. If I watched a show with my own expectation I would never enjoy any of these shows and thats exactly whats happening in fandom. Its not what I want so I don't like it... so it goes on deaf ears for me. Who is really telling the story here, never will I understand that. Films are subjective, why subject yourself to something that you don't like?
     
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    The end credits art is always great. I hope this becomes a regular thing for Star Wars from here on out.
     
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    You didn't like the El Mariachi saga? Just joking dude... hehe EL Mariachi: which was about a guy who sang romance but nobody liked that about him–but he never cared and continued to sing romance wherever he went and whenever he sang... Kind of ironic would you say?

    Robert Rodriguez and JJ Abrams are on the same level, for me ( my expectations are tempered maybe that is why I enjoy it and I love Star Wars HEHE I hope more people enjoy the OB1 series cause I want more Star Wars my fear is that this will go along the same path as the Standalone films). They are not at the level of say a Christopher Nolan or a Dennis Villeneuve; again that's my subjective opinion, I know allot of people like JJ Abrams so no disrespect there, if you like him as a director.
     
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    Don't you ever disrespect the Mariachi trilogy or that character and no that's not what the films were about. Say what you want about Robert Rodriguez but you put some respect when discussing El Mariachi!

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    Now I want Antonio Banderas to guest star as an old former jedi that has now become a vigilante hero!
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    HAHA, hold your horses MANDO!!! I know what the films are about, just joking dude as I mentioned... hehe. :D
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 13, 2022, Original Post Date: Jan 13, 2022 ---
    YUP! Major easter egg.
     
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    BINGO! You nailed it, Rogues1138!!!

    In my opinion, this is the underlying issue behind the vast majority of the negative comments we hear about films/TV shows from franchises like SW. The disappointment is because it's not the show THEY EXPECTED TO SEE. That happened to me a bit on Ep.1 until I put away the weighty expectations i had going into the premeir and relaxed and enjoyed the show Favreau and Filoni were giving me. I remember it happening to me (and other LOTR fans) when I watched TFOTR for the first time. It took a second viewing before I could start appreciating Peter Jackson's vision (vs my own from the books.) And now? Jackson's LOTR trilogy is among my all-time favorite films.

    There's nothing wrong with wanting our favorite franchises to cater to our unique expectations; it's very natural to feel this way. And, low and behold, sometimes we get exactly what we want. But more often, that's not the case. But viewers are always the ones in control of their reactions and what they do with them. If you don't like what a TV show is giving you week after week, you are always free to let it be and watch something else.
     
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    Agreed!
     
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    It was a great 3rd episode to remember, we got Boba fighting a wookiee in shorts, a power ranger cyber gang being recruited & the rancor legacy continues, roll on episode 4.
     
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    Great post mate thank you for explaining exactly how I feel at the moment.

    What I was expect from this movie was constant action, death, betrayal, and Mandalorians. What we got instead was a well crafted, lore explored, nostalgic ride of events.

    Some people after feeling negative toward something often want to continue NEGLECTING their disagreement. I although chose for once to give TBOBF, a chance and it did no disappointment me. I've rewatched the episodes and my well... opinion has shifted drastically.
     
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    This slow speed chase really looked ridiculous.
     
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    True. It's weird how many people get upset when studios don't deliver the film/show/episode that they (the fan) have imagined in their head. I mean, it is literally impossible for Favreau to write the show that you have playing in your mind, impossible, and even wanting that is extremely weird and near-sighted, IMHO.

    I personally didn't like this episode (Streets of Mos Espa) much, and I find that Rodriguez & Favreau & Co. made some very weird creative decisions with this one, but people need to chillax and appreciate the creative process and see their doctor about all that butt-hurt. Also, it's entirely possible that they made these decisions for a reason, and that the episode will make more sense in the overall picture once the season is over... (although I can't for the life of me imagine how, at this point in time).


    It did look weird, for sure, but what was weirder still was not how it looked but rather how it felt and informed the action. There was zero tension and no conflict being resolved in the sequence; very strange.

    I half expect that what they were going for here was humor, to do a subversive joke by having this chase be a slow-speed race between space vespas and space-golf carts, or whatever. That would sort of make sense, from a creative standpoint, to try something different and go for pathetic action in the place of explosions and melodrama for once, but IF that was what they were going for, it didn't work so well, I find. (Rodriguez & Favreau are not Rian Johnson, that's for sure!).

    In any case, I'd be extremely interested in learning about the creative decisions behind this episode, and what it is all about; that should be quite enlighteneing and fun, I think.



    Edit: I just thought of something. Perhaps Ep.3 was a money-saving episode? It might be that they chose to go small, exposition'y, slow-&-undramatic, and weak looking CGI (see Boba riding through the desert for way too many seconds of under par CGI with nothing happening), with this episode so as to save money for the, naturally, big and flashy things to come down the line.

    Also, Rodriguez' pre-premiere promises about this show are not at all accurate. Extremely strange decisions all around.
     
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    Man, oh man. While I enjoy the show as a die hard SW fan and already got used to this ''small stories from galaxy far far away'' with Mandalorian, which I enjoyed and Season 2 was a blast + being a huge fan of Boba Fett as a kid (90s comic books, Shadows Of The Empire)...

    ...I am not dissapointed but let's say, confused. Mandalorian Season 2 put the stakes high with people and mostly Rodriguez, whom I like as a part of Tarantino's film movement, overhyping before release and I must say, not delivering, not so far.

    Boba's return in Mandalorian, which was a show that actually was what we wanted from Boba Fett but many fans felt dissapointed that we get some no-name character instead before it aired, was a blast, hands down. The episode from Rodriguez on Tython with Empire assault and Dark Troopers kidnapping Grogu was probably my most favorite next to the assault on Empire outpost.
    So, what the hell is going on?

    I have enjoyed the fan servicey and lore building tidbits, like Tusken Raiders and seeing the more developed Mos Espa, how Boba got out of Sarlac and design-wise, except for being on sand planet and Tatooine of all places, I must say the show delivers already more in that rank than Episode IX did with it's cheap and recycled designs. Yeah, and Black Khrsantan, sorry if the spelling is bad, was cool to see.
    I don't have problem with the bikes at all for example, I have liked them, as it is nice to see some nice designs that are like coming from Prequels, as to me it is like having well cared for Cadillac nowadays and would love to see some more remainders and derelicts of the Republic era, like we saw in animated shows.
    So visual wise, I am happy, except for seeing sand planets again and again and again, let's set some future show on Coruscant or Hosnian Prime please.

    All that, so far I am enjoying more the flashbacks than what is happening now and sitting through it and asking myself, why should I watch it?
    Are they attempting to bring us a coming of life story about Boba lying and overestimating himself at the interview for the daimyo job (btw. I thought this was maybe over-the top, using the japanese term, but personally I love that touch as Star Wars is hitting on samurai movie, western and other cultural tropes) and first week at work, he is damn lost like that overconfident unicorn in marketing agency?
    Well, let's see other episodes, if they deliver any plot twists or surprises and if it really overdelivers.
    I don't think this show is a failure, I guess the hype didn't help but also from a compact and small project like this, I hope that they know what the hell they are doing and there will be some pay off, because so far, I feel like it's somehow trying to find itself and 3 episodes in, we get some small scale world building, but what is Boba doing, for what, why is he here or there. I would like to see something more daring like what fan movies are attempting to do mostly and watch a full fledged show, that actually is worth watching for the story and not just because, hey, Boba has new gauntlets in cannon, or hey, Black Khrsantan live action, now in canon.
    Like seeing Cobb Vanth and his speeder resembling Anakin's podrace engine (and it probably was) sure was a blast, but the whole episode and plot to take down Krayt Dragon was awesome on itself.

    Sorry, this was more like the whole show review from my point of view so far and not just episode 3, but yeah, I am still going to watch, with high hopes.
    I am also kind of hoping that Boba will either go through some development + if we get some more links to what is happening in galaxy at large with Thrawn, would be cherry on top, but I actually liked the idea, that the Empire remnant is really a small cell or movement, that nobody knows much about if that weren't for Din tracking down a bounty for them, as evidenced by Boba seeing Imperial cruiser and beeing baffled by it.
    Please, Robert Rodriguez, start delivering on the promises. At least, it's nice to watch some Star Wars on weekly bases at least :D
     
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    Speaking of Quentin Tarantino - I was actually hoping that the involvement of Robert Rodriguez would eventually lead to QT joining in to direct at least one episode. However he'd deserve much better script that this so it's probably better how it is. He could however write (or expand) the script himself if given enough time, so one could still hope a littie that he may do something about the Mandalorian.
     
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    They seemed to pack alot in this episode compared to last week. I liked when Jabba's twin cousins offered Boba a free Rancor. Kind of funny, nostalgic and almost seems to show that Rancor's are not all mean...yet. lol

    Seems we see new sides to everything as well in this episode. Tusken Raiders and even Boba almost makes you re-think what a villain is. Compared to last week EP3 was alot better.
     
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    What, the Ronto dung... yeah, you're right. Sorry about that!
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    I have read this entire forum on Ep 3…..must say I am joining the group of underwhelmed. But I will still watch!!

    Hey I figured out where they bought their cool rad 60’s bikes——from…..wait for it….

    Mos Espa Vespas…..

     
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    Chillax? LOL. I love that word! :)


    Unless I’m WAY off base, I thought it was clear the showrunners were playing the whole chase scene strictly for laughs. It’s actually kind of amusing to see how the humor flew over many reviewers’ heads as they critiqued it as if it was somehow supposed to be a chase scene from a Diehard movie.

    First off, the ‘chasee’ was the Majordomo — who has been played for comic relief in all 3 episodes — and everything about the chase itself, from the pacing to the wreckage along the way, was played with a wink and a grin.
     
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