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SPOILER TBOBF Ep. 3 - The Streets of Mos Espa

Discussion in 'The Book of Boba Fett' started by Lord Phanatic, Jan 12, 2022.

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    Note to self: Never depend on your memory in a forum full of human SW encyclopedias! :) :) :)
     
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    The Courtship of Princess Leia is the book you are looking for in Legends for reference of rancor riding. Hapans, Nightsisters, and Han Solo is the owner of Dathomir(yes the whole planet). Very enjoyable. There is also a book in the Fate of the Jedi series that has them go back to Dathomir and I'm pretty sure the rancors figure heavily in that one as well, I can't remember the name.

    I finally watched it. I'll give it another enthusiastic "meh". The car chase scene really let the air out the rancor scene, imho.

    I guess I understand why the attempted assassination scene was not graphically more violent but c'mon man, Wookies can rip arms off. And Wookies are tree-climbers. Why can't Black Cassandra pull himself up out of the trap door?

    Cool to see Peli and her droids in the back ground. Danny Trejo doesn't look right without multiple edged weapons on his person. ;)

    I will predict that Qi’ra is not the overall big bad as the I've read the first issue of Crimson Reign, but I could be wrong.
     
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    Well...
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    I continue to be surprised by how many people mention the car chase scene as a disappointment. Maybe today's 'Fast & Furious' audiences are conditioned to expect chills and thrills from their car chases and can't -- or won't -- appreciate one played strictly for laughs.

    But in fairness to all the car chase critics, the scene shouldn't have been positioned as the climax to the episode. Playing your big, prat-filled comedic scene as we approached the episode's conclusion was guaranteed to give off the wrong vibe to most viewers.

    When all seven episodes are out and fans review each episode as part of one big picture, I think fans will eventually grow fonder of the scene.
     
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    Except the prat crashes weren't what made it funny. What made it funny was that Boba is like "Catch that guy!" And then all the little vespas poop along at like 5mph.
     
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    My guess is that the chase was planned as light relief to the Tusken massacre and the decided to dial down the intensity of the scene. Make it cuter. But at times it just looked kinda lame and danger free.

    It's still only a small part of the episode and it has a fair few highlights in it.
     
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    Another example of why the whole scene was played for laughs. I agree with @Martoto, it might have played better if they could have positioned it to follow the Tusken village scene.
     
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    ...and then Boba drops in on his jetpack showing that he could have just chased the guy down himself :D
     
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    What I don't understand- why didn't Boba use his jetpack? After that "chase" scene, Boba casually flies in with his jetpack. Why not use it from the get go? That's the third time the show missed an opportunity of showcasing the jetpack.

    @Lazarus Dei, you were one minute faster. xD
     
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    Geez, @Lazarus Dei, why bother with hiring a bunch of henchmen if you do everything yourself? :D
     
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    The scene was just flat out badly produced. Taking all artistic and narrative decisions out of the mix it looked poorly made. I believe they got the mix of practical, digital, and Volume effects badly wrong.
     
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    For the first few rounds of Black Krrsantan and Fett going toe-to-toe, I thought it was still part of his bacta dream... got way more intense when I realized it was actually happening. Really cool to see a brawl in Jabba's palace!
     
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    Poorly made? I just watched the car chase sequence again twice to observe these 'flaws' first-hand. Weirdly, I didn't find any. In fact, I actually came away more impressed by all the stunts the production team pulled off.

    And the specific rewatch also had me being more sympathetic about the creative team's decision to use such colorful bikes. During the chase scenes, they presented a nice color contrast to the Majordomo's bigass white limo. In fact, I hadn't really appreciated the Majordomo's limo until these viewings. The vehicle was clearly WAY too large for most of the Mos Espa streets....interesting since it was no doubt owned by the Mayor. :) The bright colors gave the whole thing a funnier, cartoon-like, feeling than if they'd chosen duller, Mos Espa-like color shades for the vehicles involved in the chase.

    If some fans didn't like the comedic chase, so be it. But I have a hard time buying the notion that the scene was somehow poorly done.
     
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    To avoid all the needless collateral damage brought on the people of a town already having a hard go of it? There’s . . . that.
     
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    One of the more annoying internet arguments out there is "I don't like this thing so this thing must be poorly made." I haven't watched the episode a second time yet, but on my first watch I thought the pace of the chase was too slow. I'm far from an effects expert so I don't know the challenges of making it look faster, but I thought the chase in Solo looked wonky as well. Maybe it's that type of vehicle? No tires squealing on the ground? We're so used to seeing car chases I'm sure it's not easy to replicate that with something that's floating above the ground. It works better for the bikes, but not so much for the vehicle the mayor was driving.
     
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    I don't know if it matters, but do the people of Mos Espa know that Boba is a Clone?
     
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    Anyone who fought in that war would recognize he's a clone. It's only been 30 years.
     
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    All these car chase comments have caused me to scrutinize this sequence in a hell of a lot more detail than I would have ever imagined. But the more I've examined it, the more aware I've become of the many challenges the showrunners had in making the sequence work as a comedy piece.

    In answer to your question, @DailyPlunge, I suspect that the showrunners realized that increasing the pace of the chase would have confused viewers by masking the 'hey, guys, we're just playing this for laughs' reaction to the chase they intended. As we've seen, even the slower pace didn't do it. The bottom line is this: audiences have been conditioned to view car chases as thrill-rides. If the showrunners are to be criticized, it should be because they (perhaps foolishly) thought they could play it for laughs and all their viewers would immediate buy-in and laugh through the chase scene in the way they intended.

    For me, this is a perfect illustration of how criticisms can arise in some quarters when the expectations of fans get in the way of appreciating what they were actually getting.
     
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    Can you explain why you think the chase scene was meant to be played for laughs?

    There are certainly intentionally funny moments during it. But there's a big difference between "a thrilling chase with some comedy thrown in" and "a chase so bad it's funny." To me I feel like they were going for the first one, but achieved the second one.

    I don't think this is an issue with fan expectations, unless we are counting decades of established cinematic storytelling language as fan expectations. This is set up as a serious chase with fun moments, just like other chases in Star Wars (the Coruscant speeder chase in AotC, for example, is overall a thrilling chase but has comedic beats).

    I guess I just don't understand why, in an otherwise dramatic show, you would assume that the filmmakers meant this moment to be a spoof?
     
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    Again, it all depends on what your expectations were going into the show. Is this a "dramatic" show? It certainly has its share of dramatic moments but I sure wouldn't call it The Shawshank Redemption.

    I would call most of what we've gotten treated to in Star Wars -- certainly the OT and Favreau's TV shows -- to be fun, PG-13 kids-style, action-adventure "shoot-em-up" sci-fi. That means we get treated to drama, cool action scenes -- as well as some great comedic moments.

    I find myself staring at your question and wondering how you could have ever thought it was played for anything other than laughs. If you want, I'll be happy to work through all of the various 'tells' in another post.

    If viewers had been preconditioned to expect a 'funny' chase scene, I believe many folks would have better appreciated the comedic moments the show was giving us versus gritting your teeth and opining, as some critics have, that it was a "horrible" chase scene because the pace was too slow, the action was 'too goofy' and there was 'zero' excitement or 'tension-packed thrills' to be found it. Those criticisms are based on what we've come to expect from such chases.

    Once again, my explanation doesn't mean you have to like the sequence. If you hated it before, you can still hate it now -- all I'm saying is do it for the right reasons.
     
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