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SPOILER TBOBF Ep.5 - Return of…

Discussion in 'The Book of Boba Fett' started by Lazarus Dei, Jan 26, 2022.

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What did you think of Episode 5?

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  1. Lazarus Dei

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    So, despite what some of us thought, they really DID go there! :eek:

    Rate the episode and let us know what you thought in the thread below!


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    So great Mando episode! When do we get BOBF Chapter 5? I feel happy but robbed!
     
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    ...and just how many fan-baiting/pleasing references to the wider franchise were mentioned or shown?? It's like they'd found a bucket full of in-universe references in the writer's room and instead of picking one or two choice inclusions they just tipped them all in there! :eek:

    Din
    The Armorer
    Paz Viszla
    Grogu
    Bo Katan
    the fall of Mandalore
    TIE Bombers
    Imperial security droids
    Probe Droids
    Darksaber
    Mos Eisley
    Peli Motto
    BD droid
    R5
    N1 Starfighter
    Naboo
    "faster than a Fathier"
    pod race course / Beggar's Canyon
    X-Wings
    Carson Teva

    So that ticks the boxes for the PT, OT, ST, Rogue One, Jedi Fallen Order and Mando... I'm exhausted! :D
     
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    LOL! I wouldn't say I feel robbed, exactly (except maybe of some sleep, but Chapter 5 was a consolation prize for that, not the cause), but this definitely felt like a Mando episode to me too. Pacing, emotional engagement, even the production quality felt stepped up from what we've been seeing from BoBF.

    All of which makes BoBF feel to me like a story-within-a-story, which was my initial impression during the original post-credits scene from The Rescue. Not a Saragossa Manuscript level of story-within-a-story, of course, but still. And that's just fine by me if that's the intent.

    As for the episode itself, Din is clearly adrift without his little green buddy. Or, more specifically, without the sense of self and purpose that his quest to return Grogu to the Jedi gave him. Now, at the conclusion of Episode 5, he has a ship - and, by extension, some modicum of his old autonomy - as well as the opportunity to help an ally once again - which may help him find some much-needed inner balance. Plus, I think The Armorer also showed us part of what will drive the plot of Mando Season 3.

    More spoilery musings once I've gotten some sleep and maybe watched Ep. 5 again. Overall, I really dug Mando's return, and didn't at all mind it sidetracking the BoBF story for a week. (Especially with a bonus Appa sighting over Tatooine!)
     
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    Damned straight! This was 'The Book of Boba Fett... Not Starring Boba Fett' :D
     
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    Easter Eggs? Most of these are not that, right? That's like saying Stormtroopers, Darth Vader, The Emperor, X-Wings, and TIE Fighters in TESB are easter eggs to ANH. :p (Also, I haven't watched the actual episode yet :rolleyes: )
     
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    Ok, I'll edit that to 'fan-baiting/pleasing references' to the wider franchise then... ;)
     
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    More like, "utilizing the setting", mate! (Damn, I'm particularly quarlesome today! I think I need another mug of ambition, as Dolly would say :D )
     
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    you're on fire dude :D
     
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    The BOBF that wasn't about Boba Fett. If you're a prequels fan then you'll love it.

    Also @Lazarus Dei do you think this is a sign we may win some money? That Boba will see the real send off that's not a Sarlaac pit
     
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    Seem like TBOBF is just explanation of Boba return so he can be in current stories which is fine.
    Maybe others will get a Book:
    Mace Windu
    Darth Maul
    Ezra Bridger
    Admiral Thrawn
    Etc…
     
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    Dear Lord...
    BEST CHAPTER BY FAR!
    Perfection!

    So much to analize. So many shots to frame! I really missed that.
    I had tension and I was smiling all through it.
    What a difference with all previous ones!!!
    The mood since first second, the moves of central character, the Platform, the Mandalorian fight, the cinematography, the sound, the robots, the dialogs, the tie-bombers, the probots, the new ship... ALL OF IT!!
    Absolutely nothing to compare with the rest of the show (for a reason of course). And that's sad, because the best The Book of Boba Fett episode is the one has no Boba Fett in it.

    Absolutely nothing seem out of place. NOTHING.
    Am just astonished.
    One of my favourite chapters of TM and TBOBF.
     
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    So, having calmed myself, some more sensible thoughts

    The episode managed to brilliantly weave in a lot of backstory as well as seemingly setting up key elements of both the Boba finale and Mando s3. The trouble is as good as the episode was, there’s really no escaping the fact that it wasn’t a chapter of The Book of Boba Fett, it was really just a great long-form prologue for Din’s net series.

    Loved the N1 appearance and rebuild – though I have questions about the conceit that all the right parts to get it flying again happened to be around or could be sourced from the Jawas. Did everyone else also notice that the ‘modified’ ship has added a dome over the droid port – presumably to allow it to become a passenger seat when it’s needed? (Side note - I'll bet Lego have an all-silver N1 with Mando set out before the end of the year, probably with a Peli minifig too ;) )

    This almost throw-away line definitely left me with jaw dropped though... :D

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    As great as it was to see all this Mando content and seeing the initial wave of positivity around the episode, it does leave me thinking that while it’s had it’s moments there really isn’t anything compelling enough in Boba’s ‘where I’ve been for the past 9yrs’ story to warrant his own show. An episode in Mando dedicated to him recounting things would’ve just as easily allowed enough blank-filling.

    Have to admit that the opening scene with the Kalatooians felt too much like the opening of Wesley’s Snipes’ first Blade movie. The ‘real world’ location of a butchers, set dressed to look sci-fantasy just didn’t work for me. On the other hand, the Imperial Security and Probe Droids on Mandalore was a great nod to the future war shots in Terminator 2.

    Final thought and question for now on the timeline… they’ve gone to great lengths to show Boba’s Tatooine story, though how he recovered his armor seems to have been left as The Marshal episode from Mando S2 as he’s wearing it by the time he’s assuming the Diamyo role. The gap we have is that Boba flew off and left Fennec to help Din in The Rescue – so where did he go, why wasn’t he involved in Gideon’s carrier assault and when did she make her way back to Tatooine as TBoBF has so far implied that she has been by Boba’s side ever since he had her fixed? Maybe I’m being dim and missed something… :confused:
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    I'd still like to think so, but it'll only mean break-even for me as I'd also bet that Din wouldn't feature in TBoBF :rolleyes: :D
     
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    So no Fett this week. I bet you watched the whole episode thinking about Boba though.


    Reading some of the comments the past few weeks it seems to me as if Star Wars/LFL/Disney will be forever dammed if they do, dammed if the don't on any number of topics.
     
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    Exactly! The problem of TBOBF is we completly forgot Boba Fett.

    Jesus... Yes!
    That was insane. I was all chapter watching references everywhere. The good part is all of it didn't felt forced. It was all perfectly tied in the story.
     
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    Oh man, this episode made me very happy. If I get time I'll come back with some more (happy) thoughts, but I'm glad Din won't be charging Boba for his muscle. Because, after all, Boba gave him a whole free chapter in his own book. :D
     
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    I had a feeling that Boba's ship would wind up being Din's ship by the end of this show. Maybe that's still on the cards but the Naboo fighter is pretty sharp.
     
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    I woke up in a weird headspace because of a nightmare ,and this was the exact thing I needed to correct it!

    The Book of Boba Fett Episode 5...or rather, The Mandalorian Inter-Season Episode, because Star Wars apparently really does know what we want and can even deliver it!


    The Good:
    The length. This episode was about twice the length of previous BoBF episodes, and it put every second to good use.
    This was a Mandalorian episode. Sure, we were all wondering when Boba would show up, but Mando made every second count, and I was here for it.
    The whole episode, to be honest. The fights, action, music, call-backs and call-forwards, the blend between fantasy and sci-fi - it just all worked so well!
    The shipbuilding gets a special shoutout. Not only was the Mechanic hilarious in a completely inappropriate (mentioning how she used to date a Jawa and then rebuffing the advances of another when she said she was working on herself) way, but her scenes also had the best shoutouts and references. From "Wizard!" to Fathiers to a BD droid (which BETTER NOT BE CAL'S!), this scene hit all of the sweet spots in terms of encompassing the world of Star Wars. I caught most of the visual medium references, but I'm sure there were tons of book stuff I didn't catch. It also did the perfect thing The Mandalorian did (and what I wanted the ST to do all the way through) through the repurposing the Naboo fighter. This was the perfect blend of a perspective of thesis, anti-thesis, and synthesis for Star Wars IMO. Boba needs a ship; the mechanic gets him a ship that he doesn't want but has the potential to do good. The ship itself was built for a purpose, but it can no longer serve that purpose. Together, the two repurpose the ship into something else entirely. It's been remodeled, recontextualized, rebuilt. It's bittersweet, but ultimately cathartic. I. LOVED. THIS. SCENE.
    Shoutout to the Darksaber's weight being mentioned again and influenced by emotions and bond too!


    The Bad:
    The fact that this episode entirely overshadowed the previous episodes of the show and may continue to do so going forward. It's sad that The Book of Boba Fett's best episode so far is one that isn't even about the character. It's sad that The Book of Boba Fett's best episode so far is one that doesn't even have the character in it. And I didn't even miss him.
    EDIT: The CGI didn't look as good as I remember Mando being at times. It wasn't bad, or at least not most of the time, nor was it as bad as I feel BoBF usually is, but it wasn't great all the time either.


    The Ugly:
    The Halo ring. It's not bad or good, but it didn't look that good, and its existence sort of kicked me out of the story.
    I feel like this entire episode should have been what it was. This felt like a Mandalorian Season 3 starting point rather than a BoBF episode. Instead, since BoBF is a show, maybe they should have done a sort of "another side, another story" aspect for the character? In BoBF, we'd see what Boba is doing and who he's hiring. He gets word of Mando being on the planet and sends Fennec to recruit him. Then in Mandalorian Season 3, we see how Mando got to that point, and watch certain events through his eyes before heading back into the main plot.
    Paz Vizla challenging Mando to a fight was so generically obvious that I could only laugh. However, it did reaffirm the message the ST failed to complete when the Visla failed - blood doesn't make you automatically worthy of something. They hammered that in with Bo-Katan being a "cautionary tale," and they
    I'm also not fully on-board with the whole Chosen One aspect the Mandalore culture is bringing in. Partially because I have my own head-canons on what it could be and how to implement it, partially because I don't want Din to end up as the prophesized Chosen One. However, I do think the shows so far are saying that the weapon is the chooser, and not fate.


    At the end of the day, I adored this episode because it was a Mandalorian episode; that fact means it simultaneously failed, because it wasn't a BoBF episode, if that makes sense. I'm not excited for the rest of BoBF, I'm excited to see if Mandalorian Season 3 happens within the timeframe of this episode and the next one. I'm excited for more Mando, not more Boba, and there's a sadness in that fact. Previously, I stated how the Tusken Raider stuff should have been in a book and not the show. Now I'm starting to believe that the entirety of BoBF should have been a book that released between Mandalorian Season 2 and Season 3. Similar to the "different view, same story" aspect above, the book and the show could have covered the same events, but from different perspectives. And I don't want to degrade books or imply they aren't worthy forms of media by saying "this should have been a book." I just mean that not every story is right for the format we want it to be, and BoBF is one of those cases.

    This episode is a 9.25/10.


    Other notes:
    Mando be a man of few words and great emotion, so stop forcing Boba to take off his helmet ever scene. Mando can be an unrepentant killer and still be the hero of the story, so stop forcing Boba to be so...passive, if that makes sense. Boba is suffering from "Han Shot First" syndrome, in which to make him more heroic, he can't do things that would make him seem bad. However, The Mandalorian shows that morals, heroism, and brutality aren't as linked as people think.

    More of a lore problem than a story problem, but I'm getting tired of the circular nature of Star Wars. We see Mandalore fall in TCW final season and we rise up to free it in Rebels, only for it to fall back to the Empire offscreen...only for us to rise up and free it, the right way now! It's tiring, but this tiring aspect can also be used to great effect if the theme then becomes rebuilding something the right way. If it ends in just another cycle...well, I like those sorts of stories, but Star Wars isn't the place I like them. You don't go to a pizza parlor for tacos, after all.

    The Hollywood Reporter had an interesting piece about BoBF. It's really nothing new, but I was surprised to see it on a site focused mostly on breaking news from the articles I actually read. Then again, it makes sense that they'd have an opinion on the shows they report and break news on. Fans of this show will probably disagree, while those who dislike the show may feel seen or vindicated.
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/book-of-boba-fett-star-wars-fans-1235080102/


    Same, and I'm really happy they aren't going that route.


    EDIT: I'm very curious about the Mandalorian Season 3 because of this episode. Will they trust their fans to watch BoBF first, like the MCU does with all its movies and shows? Or will the recap this at the beginning? Or will they just show this again for Season 3's first episode?
     
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    I think the look of the first half of this episode settles it. TBoBF isn't cheap. It's just that Tatooine is a scughole.
     
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    I'd say it's the opposite. I didn't mind Tatooine this time around because we had interesting characters and an interesting story. At least, to me. Tatooine felt like Tatooine in the best ways - dirty, broken and worn down, and stuck in the 70s and 80s with its hair. But it also felt like the best of Mando's Tatooine. It was nostalgic, but not beholden to the past. Broken, but not useless. Harsh, but not without affection and kindness. Because the character we follow brings all of that with him to the planet and the people he interacts with.

    When we're with Boba, Tatooine feels small, cramped, and bland. I do think that the Kenobi show will be the true test, though. If Tatooine is interesting there, then it's not the planet, but the story and characters. If it's not, then it may just be the planet.

    All that said, I think we're on the same page that fewer stories told on desert planets going forward can only be a good thing.
     
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