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SPECULATION TCW Was Going to Make the Yuuzhan Vong Canon, Should That Still Happen?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Books & Comics + Legends' started by Admiral Petty, Jul 2, 2015.

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Should the Yuuzhan Vong ever be adapted into canon?

  1. Yes!

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  2. Nooooo!!!

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  3. Yes(with some changes)

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  4. Yuuzhan Who?

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  1. Admiral Petty

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    While I was watching The Untold Clone Wars Panel from Star Wars Celebration, I was interested to see that prior to TCW's cancellation, they were going to do an episode featuring the Yuuzhan Vong. This surprised me, because frankly, things don't get much more EU than the Vong. Here's the link to the youtube video, go to the 43 minute mark to see the section where they discuss the Vong.



    This had me thinking, is it even appropriate to introduce the Vong into canon?

    Personally, I had always assumed that the Vong would remain in the EU/Legends stories and stay there, after all, they were a pretty divisive subject even among a lot of EU fans. However, I was actually kind of excited to see them acknowledged by Dave Filoni and TCW people, considering that George was still in charge at this time, he was apparently cool with it as well. My biggest problem with the Vong wasn't the Vong themselves, but rather the fact that the New Jedi Order book series that introduced them seemed to go on for way to long and had to many authors. Even James Luceno said as much about the series in the interview that Darth Caliban linked in his thread.

    Frankly, based on what Pablo Hidalgo and Dave Filoni have said, even though TCW was cancelled prematurely, they still consider those stories to have happened, and many will still see the light of day through other forms of media such as story reels and novels like Dark Disciple. This means that the door is still open to the Vong making an appearance in canon at some point down the line. Like I've said, I'd be down for them appearing as long as some changes were made to bring them into the new canon.

    How about you guys, do you think we will see the Vong canonized at some point, and more importantly, do you feel that they ever should be canonized?
     
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    I voted no, because IMO the Vong are a departure from the "light vs dark SW storyline". The Vong were just a conquering "alien" race aliens that were absent from the force...and the force is what SW is about.
     
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    The Vong should be used in the films as a arc of having Jedi and Sith fighting side by side, helping to pave the way for balance.
     
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    Oooohhh....then there's that! That'd be a good "Balance time of the force" storyline....in years to come.
     
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    More problematic IMO is the fact that in the book series, they more or less had Vergrere telling Jacen Solo that there was no real light or dark side to the force, but its how one uses it. They retconned that idea by revealing Vergrere to be a Sith in a later series, but it always rubbed me the wrong way. I think themes like that would have to be changed in order for them to work in the new canon.

    Also, as for their absence from the force, it was due to them being cutoff from the force a long time ago due to something, something, Zenoma Sekot(I honestly cannot remember all the details at this point years after reading the series). I do remember that their secret leader Onimi was force sensitive however, and it was implied that the Vong would be able to regain their connection to the force once more at the end of the series.

    Very interesting idea, could make a great video game as well, maybe handled by Bioware.
     
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    Yes...to it all. It's been years since I've read it also. The series just (also) rubbed me wrong as I thought it was too Sci-Fi channel-ish and somewhat outside of the Star Wars realm...out of sine-sync, so to speak.
     
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    The Yuzzhan Vong should be in the new canon or maybe even be the antagonists of Episodes X-XII. They would make a perfect enemy for the fourth trilogy or SST and the new generation heroes like Rey,Finn and Poe Dameron and maybe even their kids after Luke and co. are long gone.
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    Or perhaps the Vong could be enemies in future bridge novels between ROTJ & TFA or bridge novels between Episodes VII and VIII or VIII and IX or after IX.
     
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    It doesn't sound like they were very popular. I can't give an opinion, though, since I know of them by name only.
     
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    I agree 100%. This would be an incredible direction to take the 4th trilogy and again help pave the way for true balance between the Sith and Jedi.
     
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    I actually vote:no.
    Although this is a brilliant idea(I thought about the Vong thing and this never came to my mind) I'm not a fan of them to be the main antagonists in a film or a novel taking place after Episode IX. Even with changes.It doesn't feel SW for me (but I understand others that don't think of it this way).I read about it on Wookypedia(and also about other EU stories taking place after ROTJ for example the stupid reborn Palpatine think-btw ,the should have just let me be dead rather then ruin my biography).Vergere, padawan of Luke,convinces Jacen Solo that becoming Dark Caedus will bring peace to the galaxy(oh,and he's convinced that this way he's not gonna kill Luke Skywalker which he saw in a vision and this is exactly what is gonna happen).Now look at what I just wrote.Does it sound familiar?Bingo!!!You guessed it!The Prequels all over again.Vision were your loved one dies which makes them change sides...No thank you.It would need so many changes.If you don't believe me,look up Jacen Solo's wookypedia page.
     
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    While I agree that there were some stupid things in the EU(the mentioned clone of the Emperor being foremost), I still think a lot of it can be adapted into canon if handled well. As for the Vong, I'm alright with them making an appearance at some point as long as they are handled better, I don't really think we need another Vong storyline on the scale of the NJO series however, that series went on for a bit too long for my tastes.
     
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    I like your thought on this \m/
     
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    It'd be a great way to continue Star Wars years from now, move it to a different galaxy.
     
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    My problem with using the Vong is that (in my opinion) Star Wars is about the GFFA, and while I'm fine with revealing new elements of it, the Vong are by their nature outsiders to the GFFA.

    It just rubs me the wrong way that we spend all of this time with the Jedi and the Republic and the Sith, and then these other guys just kinda show up outta nowhere. Maybe, maybe with some really major re-thinking it could work, but I'm not exactly clamoring for their return.
     
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    And the Empire, and the Rebellion, and the First Order, and the Trade Federation, and the Separtists...and so on.

    I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I'm just curious why it matters whether they are in the GFFA or not. You mean to tell me that if their background was modified so they were in the GFFA and decided to wage war against it, then that wouldn't bother you? To me, its more interesting to add a new element considering the Jedi and Sith are mostly wiped out to our knowlege. But to me, adding a new element within the GFFA is no different then adding one out of it.
     
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    But all of those factions you mention have ties to each other -- in some way. I guess more what I was getting at was how (especially initially) one-dimensional the Vong felt. By nature of their status as outsiders they lack the history of interactions that I find interesting.
     
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    I say bring on the Vong!
     
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    Ah, but if you truly got into the lore of the Vong, you realized that they indeed had history with other factions. The obvious tie-in is Nom Anor, who had infiltrated the galaxy as a sleeper agent decades before the invasion. Then you have Anakin and Obi Wan's interaction with a certain Rouge Planet during the Prequel era.... Plus, there's that story that Canderous Ordo tells in KOTOR of living asteroids....

    Also, once the initial "alien-ness" of the Vong wore off, there were some very interesting dynamics that played out in the later half of the series, both within the Vong and with the various government factions of the galaxy.

    Of course, this is all moot...but damn, I might have to go read the NJO again :p.
     
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    That sir is an excellent point regarding the Vong, their seeds went back quite a bit further than we initially thought at the beginning of the series.
     
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    I wonder if the Vong, Sith purebloods, and Rakatans could all be combined into one civilization/species in the new canon. They build the Star Forge, corrupt the founders of the Sith Order, Revan and Malak turn after discovering them, and then they finally invade after ROTJ.
     
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