TFA. Final Lightsaber Duel?

I don't think it has to 'beat' all previous choreographs. After awhile they just become comical instead of adding anything to the story. I honestly think they could stick to a pretty basic sword fight that is intelligently done.

 

I think it will be just Finn and Kylo with Rey and Kylo being separated before they can battle. Rey will follow the classic hero's path arc and they just don't go all ninja in the first part of a 3 act story. It was Obi Wan that fought Vader in EpIV not Luke, Rey's time against Kylo will come. Finn's path I think will be from warrior to teacher (yoda like) after being "damaged" in his loss to Kylo.
I can see Rey taking down the First order and redeeming Kylo while Finn takes out Snoke in EpIX

 

I'll take the ESB lightsaber duel over the ROTS Anakin VS Obi-wan duel any day.

 

Something along the lines of the OT would be best, I think, which actually gave the lightsabers weight. The OT duels were also good because of their acting and emotional content, not flashy choreography. From what we've seen in the trailers thus far, the lightsaber fight already has better acting than most of the PT. The look on Finn's face is priceless(!) and already leads me to believe that the fight will be a memorable.

 

The Ep.4 Obi-Wan vs Vader duel looked the most like an actual swordfight. Nobody would ever do any sword juggling or acrobatics. Ever. The idea of taking your eyes off the opponent to do a twirl is ridiculous.

 

Old Ben does do one twirl, but one is acceptable because sometimes twirls are pretty.

 

I can see a duel where Rey and Finn are trying to defeat Kylo. Rey gets force pushed down, while Finn gets bested by Kylo. I can picture Kylo taking the OT lightsaber from Finn and hooking to his belt. Meanwhile Rey comes to her senses as Kylo approaches Finn for the kill. She see's the saber on the belt and attempts to use the force to draw it to her, she now accepted the force (let it in?). The light saber begins to move and lift away from the belt. It releases and flies to Rey, but passes her and lands right to the robotic hand of Luke, who has come to save the day. Kaboom the Luke reveal and then the final light saber duel of Kylo getting his A** kicked, and bailing for his life.

 

Choreography is nice and all, but what made the lightsaber fights memorable for most people (I hope) was the context behind them. The lightsaber fights in the PT had no importance for me personally, because I never felt any connection with the characters. So what was left was just a display of choreography. The climax in AOTC where lightsabers were everywhere also reduced the significance of a lightsaber duel.
We need to care for the characters, their motives and the outcome of a lightsaber clash.

 

That sounds awesome, i'd love to see Luke BRUTALLY defeat Kylo and leave him to scamper away.

 

I wonder how Luke would fight with a lightsaber in TFA. In the OT all lightsaber fighting was slow. Be weird to see him fight much faster when he's older. Maybe he will just use crazy force manouvers.

 

I'm not really a fan of the PT at all, but the Qui gon-Obi wan-Darth Maul fight is in my opinion the best saber fight to actually watch out of all 6 movies. seconded by the EPS fight with luke and vader.

I think in TPM there is a good build up to the final duel, I mean we have to sit through hours of negotiations to get to it, and theres an interesting point that Qui gon is basically the main protagonist within that movie and dies right there. Thats a pretty good set up as far as 'emotional arcs' go. Its a shame that Obi Wan is totally underdeveloped in that film and that Maul is killed immediately after.

All the saber fights in the next two films II-III look like cartoons, they are just escalating levels of absurd.

I think we wont get a crazy swordmaster style duel like Lucas went for in the PT. not in Episode VII anyway, I think this will be a more human fight by two people who are relatively inexperienced (Finn/Kylo) with Kylo's aggression being the main point of interest during the dual. I also don't see how they (finn/Rey) can escape without luke turning up. I think it would ruin Kylo's fear factor if Rey managed to knock him off a cliff, or drop a tree between them and run away. I think Having Luke turn up and defeat kylo would make for a better arc in the next film. As Kylo is obsessed with Vader (as far as we know) and would hate the fact he lost to Luke, weather or not Kylo is aware that Luke is Vader's son I don't know, but it could end EP 8 with a hilarious twist when Kylo confronts luke and luke gets to say 'No, Vader was my father'

 

That is my thought as well.. There is no way neither Rey or Finn is able to stand alone (or togheter for that matter) in a fight against Kylo Ren. They are not strong enough in the force yet. But they will be in Episode 8 and Episode 9.

 

am i the only person who hated the prequel duels? they were way over the top and over choreographed to the point they were basically dancing.. i get it, the jedi can do all this stuff when they fight.. but i really see no need for many of the moves they do.. flipping around like an idiot when you could achieve the same hit just by standing there alot of the time. they did not feel real at all.. they felt choreographed.

sure the obiwan/quigon v darth maul was decent.. but all the others kinda bugged me.

and don't get me started on yoda or the emperor fighting with lightsabers in the first place.. that should never have happened. it was rediculous.

my favourite duel in all of star wars was luke v vader in rotj.. it had so much emotion in it.. and it felt real.

Personally im hoping these new movies go back closer to the originals in terms of lightsaber duels.. sure flipping around and jumping is fine when they are needed.. to escape or re-engage in a fight.. but still keep it two hands and more of a realistic sword fight.. with a genuine respect for the fact you are holding a dangerous laser sword.

 

This is exactly what I'm thinking. Choreographing can be a detriment when done incorrectly. Yeah, it can be flowery, pretty and such but if we aren't deeply invested in the characters and what leads up to the fight they are engaged in, it will be ultimately forgettable. Some of the martial talent JJ has reportedly enlisted to create and take part in the fight scenes make me think we are not going to be disappointed.

 

In another thread, someone had mentioned wanting to see the dual wielded reverse grip, similar to Ahsoka. I found this on YouTube.

As fake as some of the PT fights were, I would like to see some skill.

 

I just hope it has an emotional impact like in TESB and ROTJ

 

I still think this is an early concept of that duel. Finn duels Kylo using Luke's saber, Kylo beats Finn by injuring him, Finn drops the saber and Kylo picks it up. At this point Rey finally accepts her destiny and opens herself up to the force, pulling the lightsaber from Kylo. This is where the real duel of TFA will take place I think. I don't expect Finn vs Kylo to last very long.

 

I posted a concept of that sort of fight months ago. I was wrong though because I assumed that duel would be where Rey gets captured. But the idea still is there of Rey opening herself to the force and saving Finn.

If you look in the trailer Finn looks absolutely terrified when Kylo prepares to swing at him (for good reason of course). I don't think losing will in any way diminish Finn as a hero, just like how Luke losing to Vader didn't diminish Luke as a hero. But I feel like embracing one's destiny will be a major theme of TFA. We have people following an incorrect/flawed Destiny (Kylo), someone trying to find their destiny (Finn), and someone rejecting their destiny (Rey). I would also like to see something happen to Poe that makes him question his destiny when it seemed set in stone to sort of cover all the bases, it would be a great opportunity for character development in Episode VIII.

 

I don't believe that Rey will save Finn in the manner you're describing. Having Finn quickly lose his engagement to Kylo only to have Rey 'save' him by 'embracing her destiny' builds up Rey at the expense of Finn. If the roles were reversed (Finn saving Rey in the same manner) it would have the same diminishing effects on Rey as a hero. That said, there's there's nothing wrong with either character coming to the aid of the other in general.

I think they've set this up to be between Finn and Kylo. Both will grow though the course of this saga and they will undoubtedly meet again after this engagement. I think it's safe to say Finn will not defeat Kylo and most likely will be badly injured in this fight. I'm not sure how their conflict in this episode will end, but I don't think it will be because Rey goes 'Matrix Neo' on Kylo.