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Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by TheBBP, Dec 16, 2017.

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    I don’t know why everyone is blaming bad reviews on people not liking anything different and new. I love new and exciting things but this movie was embarrassingly bad. Has nothing to do with being different. I love that snoke died because that scene was executed so well but every other scene was so boring/useless with no real resolution and nothing to build off. Has nothing to do with not liking change. Has to do with being able to recognize a well made movie. Or in this case a poorly made movie.
     
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    I bet it's an angry mob.
    I didn't care for Justice League, but I'm not wasting my time making multiple accounts to down vote it.
    And you should at least see it before you get so upset about it.

    Now it's too bad the imdb forums were taken down. There was always so much entertainment to read from them, and this movie would have been perfect for them I'm sure.
     
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    Two things.
    First, the OP is a 'she'. Just clarification.
    Second, that's critics. Not the audience. We're not raising eyebrows here at what the critics think of TLJ.
    Also, those "mixed" reviews.. 84/5 split. Even if it was 30/5 it's not really mixed.
    Empire was overwhelmingly received positive by the critcs in 1980. Heck, one of those critics, who said Empire was unoriginal, lost her job critiquing films shortly thereafter. IIRC she was working for wa post.
     
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    Metacritic and all have positive reviews, cinescore is an A; which is probably the most reliable audience score. Something is fishy with rotten tomatoes for sure.
     
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    Are you on your laptop/cpu? I'm on my cheap lethargic mobile. Can you tell me how many reviews there currently are. I can't see the bulk number from here.
     
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    Well, I see over 86,000 fan ratings for The Last Jedi at the moment on RT. Is that what you meant?
     
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    Yep, that's the one I needed, thx.:)
     
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    Holy crap just got done reading a lot of RT.....this movie is definitely BINARY. It is a "1" or "0".....people LOVED it or DESPISED it. @Talon Karrde for critics it is 93% for 274 reviews and us regular folk it is 57% for 86,634 votes. For me it is FRESH i would give it 4.5 out of 5
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    Agreed.....any other movies have the same widespread division between critics and regular folks?
     
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    yes, it seems people either love or hate it. I hate it.
     
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    Yes, that's what I saw last night. I'm not good at math, but.. The bulk # was 78,000 when I left this morning. 10 hours later (now) it's 86,000. The score has ticked up 1% since then. So some composition of largely binary scores in those 8,000 entries raised it 1 point. We're close to center weight, so it would not take very votes in ratio to tick it one point.
    I remember TFA critic score going down one point from 93 to 92% based on a bucket of 14 positive scores and 3 negative scores.
    Any math wizzes out there who could run with that data?:confused:
     
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    I totally disagree with this. I"m totally for that , but if you want to pass on the touch to these new characters and phase out the old, then do that with dignity and class. You don't mess with the legacy of iconic characters. The movie has it's moments, but I couldn't believe what they did with some characters. Sure, let the pass die, but you don't destroy a character to build up another.
     
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    Cinemascore just measures opening night (the most hardcore people) and it's not a good barometer.

    https://www.cinemascore.com/
     
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    It's not a measure of quality but rather the WOM and the general audience reaction.

    It's a much better barometer than any polling system that allows you to vote a) Before watching the movie and b) Multiple times.
     
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    exactly. The regular folk who are simply watching this and expecting a continuation of the story from TFA are left with pure effery.
     
    #75 Blastaar, Dec 17, 2017
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    This is correct (minus the "not a good barometer" part), but it's also worth looking at the way that box office tracking has gone over so far.

    Initially, it was expected for this movie to make $200M on opening weekend... At best. As the weekend has gone on, that number has shot up to $208M, to $214M, and now to $220M over the past few hours. Some reports even suggests it might go even higher than that.

    If the movie really were universally-hated, then surely those numbers would be decreasing or turn stagnant. But that's not at all what we're seeing here.
     
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    If the WOM had been as bad as some people think, you'd have probably seen TLJ pull a Batman v Superman and have friday-saturday drop like lead. Instead, it's saturday is almost on par with TFA and some metrics are suggesting it might even surpass it.
     
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    Which would be particularly impressive, given the fact that the longer runtime means that there are fewer screenings of the movie per day.
     
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    Marketing is responsible for the opening/weekend, and then after the quality of the movie itself. That's how the saying goes I think.

    But this movie was always to financially do well. That's not unexpected.
     
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    But you're missing the point here. Movies can go up or down in terms of weekend projections based on what audiences thought of the movie.

    Take Blade Runner 2049. Pretty great movie and one that somehow lived up to the immense expectations that were placed upon it. But it's also an incredibly slow-paced and esoteric film, which is something that set casual audiences off - and the ultimate result was that an expected $40M+ weekend turned into a $32.7M weekend rather quickly. Even with great reviews and promising results from the Thursday night previews.

    Meanwhile, IT was a film that was tracking unexpectedly strong for a horror movie of its kind. It hardly needed critical acclaim to succeed at that point, but it got it - and afterward, audiences swooped in, really connected with the film, widely recommended it, and either told their friends to see it or they came back for a second round on the same weekend. As such, a predicted $80M weekend turned into a $123.4M weekend.

    The Last Jedi has a lot more in common with the latter here. I get that you were greatly disappointed with the movie, and that's fine, but let's look at things objectively here.
     
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