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SPOILER The basic plot of Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker assembled from sources.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Himmel, Aug 31, 2019.

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    When reading this have a grain o salt ready-- he even admits it: "That being said, with 4 months remaining until the release of the film, details may still be in flux and (due to the nature of what we do here), unless it's photographic evidence, I can't guarantee that everything you'll read here will be 100% accurate. Some of this you've seen or read before, some of it will be new and some may challenge things widely thought to be true about the film."
     
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    I’d be cool with most of that in theory I think, if it’s what we get.
     
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    I hope it's not what actually happens - feels very anticlimactic and kind of pointless in a way that it's all style and no substance. Honestly reads more like fan fiction to me.
     
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    I was already apprehensive about Palpatine appearing in the movie and now I’m even more worried. Everything up until the Death Star stuff sounds great to me. A lot of the stuff in the second half I have very mixed feelings about, but I guess we’ll just have to wait and see! I’ll do my best to remain optimistic at least.
     
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    My biggest fear was how/why Palpatine returned, and would it ruin the ending of ROTJ? If he has been ‘hiding’ out for 30 years and never was dead than it sort of makes ROTJ irrelevant.

    I’m only saying this if these leaks are true, but the way the ST unfolded, it essentially undoes everything from the OT. I’m sure I’ll still enjoy TROS as the ST movies are all entertaining. But from a big picture story perspective, it’s really a letdown cause it’s just a reboot of the OT story.
     
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    I'm getting flashbacks to the Rey Solo (but not Leia's kid) leaks a few months ago. Some things don't add up or contradict with previous leaks

    I will say this COULD be true but some things taken out of context, Like Palpatine could say he is Rey's grandfather to give her a sense of family and force her to turn for example

    Things that add up with leaks:

    Kylo going to the Oracle

    Luke catching the saber

    Rey/Kylo flash fight (sort of)

    Rey/Kylo tag team against Palpatine

    Sith Fleet

    Luke/Leia flashback training

    Leia/Rey training
    --- Double Post Merged, Aug 31, 2019, Original Post Date: Aug 31, 2019 ---
    UPDATE: Jason Ward is now liking tweets about stuff he leaked and that questioned the leak of JP. Also there is no Matt Smith Palpatine in this leak while Jason's Sith Trooper sources gave him the thumbs up for MS Palpatine

    UPDATE 2: It seems the big credible leakers are now divided by this, ViewerAnon is siding with JediPaxis, Bespin is siding with Jason Ward and MSW and some others are saying JediPaxis is wrong
     
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    This sounds unoriginal and lacks immagination.

    Sadly...It's probably pretty accurate...
     
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    I'm excited for TROS, but if that's true, then I'm really disappointed. This movie is a mixture of TFA and ROTJ.
     
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    If this is 100% correct... there’s nothing that I would hate.
    But there won’t be anything that I may find special, interesting, that improves - in my eyes - the story told until ep 6.
    In short, I may even enjoy to watch a movie like that the first time. But I’ll forget about it 5 minutes.

    I understand those who would take it as something that makes the OT and the PT pointless.
    But in my view, or the way I feel it, is that it would make the ST so forgettable that it won’t change my perception of SW. At that point for me it will only be 1 to 6, period. I'll very easily pretend that 7, 8 and 9 never came out.
    I mean... who cares about Gone with the Wind sequel?
    People don't even remember there was one...

    But I don’t think the leakes are 100% correct.

    I think there’s definitely legit stuff. But probably a lot of fabricated general plot point / assumptions made to connect right info to others that are not that right or simply wrong.

    I guess we shall wait. And see.
     
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    I agree as I think it gets the overall outline/timeline of the movie correct from previous spoilers I read. I think the specific details are where it’s hit and miss. I bet when we look back at this in December, there will be some specifics that were dead on and others that were wildly off.

    I do remember one big spoiler from TLJ that never materialized was Snoke/Kylo find Luke on Ach-Tu and attack him and Rey.
     
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    Yes. For instance JP was the first one to leak the Oracle creature. But he did that adding a context that is now missing or changed.

    I would also say that even if we don't have the official name of the creature, "oracle" is pretty telling as a prodution name.

    Because an "oracle" is usualy someone who has wisdom or foresees the future.
    Many time an oracle gives a prophecy.
    I never heard of an oracle who's job is giving maps... that's a gps job.

    So... I think there's something more and different going on there...
     
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    How do the Knights of Ren fit into all...this?
     
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    I doubt it's accurate for many reasons.
     
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    I suspect this is pretty close to the general outline and there's a mixture of speculation of what happens in the set pieces. It's difficult to explain what happens in a scene if you haven't seen it. I saw this mentioned somewhere else, but this happened as TLJ leaked out. "A boy picks up a broom at the end of the movie" is a description of the final scene, but that's no exactly what happens. The outrage factory will complain about this stuff because that's what's they do.

    Without a script it's difficult to know how all this fits together. This also talks very little about what Poe/Finn are doing during the film.

    I enjoy these leaks for what they are, but it's not wise to jump to conclusions about how the overall film.
     
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    Force ghost Leia sounds strange, how much footage do they have to make that work?
     
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    I didn't know that back then, but the basic plot of TFA was leaked onto Reddit in May 2015. While it got some things wrong, it was more or less correct. I expect the same to be the case here.
     
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    Jason Ward has a very good track record by this point, partly because he advices caution and seeks confirmation for rumors rather than just jump on whatever hype-train happens to pass him by. It’ll be interesting to see what his various sources have to say about this outline.

    To me, the outline reads quite convincing in places, and is definitely well thought-out, but there is something about it that I can’t put my finger on (except for the below points, LOL) that makes me skeptical. Too many McGuffins perhaps (TWO wayfinders AND a Sith dagger?), although perhaps introducing McGuffins is now the sanest way to tie the gazillion plot threads and arcs together into a strong, coherent story; who knows? (Althought, the point that this same said Sith dagger which leads to Palpatine’s hiding place was supposedly also used to kill Rey’s parents sounds a bit contrived, IMHO).

    Specifics that I struggle with in the outline:
    *Rey being provoked into violence by Kylo’s “your parents were nobodies in the grand scheme of things” spiel, having already resisted that taunt in TLJ, does not make any sense to me at all now.

    *The point that Palpatine just straight up survived RotJ seems completely ridiculous to me. (And it definitely belittles Vader’s sacrifice and all that). No, this CANNOT be how Palpatine’s arc continues! Possession (even if of a ready clone like in Dark Empire), some sort of dark side ghost, or a sentinel Palpy-faced droid are all better choices than “Palpatine somehow survived being thrown down that shaft AND the DSII’s subsequent cataclysmic destruction”.

    *Rey being Palpy’s granddaughter… This just doesn’t sit well with me. I’ll accept it if it turns out to be the case, but I find it to be weak and repetitive storytelling; “No, I’m your (grand)father!”. (If she’s rather some sort of Sith alchemy homunculi, or even the result of a cloning experience, that would work better for me, but it still feels a lot more contrived than Rey being a nobody rising mysteriously in the Light to counter the growing Dark. A pedigree for Rey is quite unnecessary, IMHO; [even though I totally championed the Rey Kenobi thing prior to TLJ, although this was solely due to internal storytelling choices in TFA. I certainly never needed her to be a Kenobi, eventhough I think it is stranged that JJ & Co. chose to make this a red herring in TFA... I've marked that down as a "mystery box" thingy]).

    *Another object-touched-induced-vision reads as weak and repetitive writing to me (and it dilutes the impact and power of the first time this happens, with Luke/Anakin’s lightsaber in TFA). [Caveat: If Psychometry with force relevant objects turns out to be a Force Power that Rey has always had, rather than being a special thing that happened with the Luke/Anakin saver, I might find that interesting, although it would lead one to wonder why Kylo's lightsaber, for example, did not seem to induce any visions of his dark character and path].


    By the law of probability, seeing the insane amount of fake rumors and self-serving “leakers” out there, I am going to say that I currently believe this outline to be untrue. But we will see, it does admittingly have some merrit.


    Some things I REALLY like about the outline:
    *The idea of using C3PO’s linguistic skills, his most defining feature, against him – by making a plot point out of a language he DOES NOT know – is very clever writing. So, even IF this outline is fake, that point is quite strong writing indeed, a stroke of genius. Well done, whoever came up with that!

    *Hux being the mole is quite cool indeed. He sure has been stepped on by superiors a lot in his life, and I find him going the Finn route as being very cool after TLJ. Hux is a coward (or alternatively a realist, if you wish) and won't attack Kylo directly, but I can totally see him trying to use the Resistance for this purpose. The only problem I have with this arc twist is the fact that the turncoat Imperial is now a pretty worn out trope in Star Wars...


    Finally, it is important to remember that even if some, or most, or even ALL of this pans out, we’ve only seen a condensed version of some of the film’s plot. However this reads on the page, good filmmakers can create some very powerful drama out of this! Only reading a 3rd person overview of a story is about as undramatic a way to experience said story as you could ever have. Keep that in mind going forward. Hate gets us nowhere; even the OT has some pretty daft story ideas, but it all works well because of the high drama, strong tension, and great characters.


    (Just for the record, I am still VERY hyped for RoS!! :D )
     
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    eh, when the full trailer is released in October, we'll be able to connect the dots much further. If the last scene is valid... my mind is not melting... its cool Rey gets her own lightsaber, but yeah, JJ is not a finisher... hehe just a mystery box man. haha... Ben dying is the only part of the ending I hope is right, and looking forward to. Hux being the mold is his way of taking down Supreme leader Kylo Ren is hilarious! and KoR, if correct... just eye candy... much like Snoke's red guards.
     
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    Do you have pointers to these divides? I haven't seen any real denials or arguments. I saw Bespin Bulletin call JP very credible.


    "bespinbulletin
    Possible massive ‘The Rise of Skywalker’ plot leak from the very credible JediPaxis

    I highly suggest you take this as a rumour. This is also not a full plot leak but a pretty significant one. As with all leaks take it with a handful of salt but read at your own risk."



    I know there is so much social media these days but (twitter, reddit, Instagram, tumblr, forums). I honestly can't keep up.
     
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