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SPOILER The basic plot of Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker assembled from sources.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Himmel, Aug 31, 2019.

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    No retcon?!?... nice. Facebook Force-mindlink is still a thing? Nice:D I guess JJ really did like TLJ. AND, most of all, if accurate Rey follows the same path of Luke! Running off to an isolated island turning her back on the fight/Jedi, like a coward! How could Rey do this? Rey has never been characterized as a coward! She surrendered to Kylo Ren. Faced Snoke head on. I guess JJ was really fond of TLJ...
     
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    As he should be! :p

    (Sorry haters, I couldn't resist... I'll try to refrain from public shows of affection for TLJ going forward... probably... sometime. No offence intended!).
     
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    As I stated, I believe the overall outline is correct and the devil is in the details. But this movie has ALOT going on and I worry it’s going to feel rushed or some things won’t get fleshed out enough.

    Meaning the reveal of Rey’s parents maybe a throwaway line and the scene doesn’t get developed cause there’s so much going on. I always felt the 2nd half ROTS felt rushed as Lucas was cramming everything in to gel with the beginning of ANH. While I have some problems with ROTJ, the movie is not rushed and develops every scene well in the movie.
     
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    No way they got that many shots with Carrie Fisher but maybe they'll do what they did in R1.

    The story is confusing, it lost me many times and I had to keep focusing to go the end.
     
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    Jason Ward is the only person people should trust as far as Spoilers go, and if he's disputing this, I think it's safe to say that it's not accurate.
     
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    I look back to all the rumored titles before the would be TROS reveal. None of them we're close. They may have gotten the tone of the title right, but thats about it.
     
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    Lots of it could make far more sense if it is revealed that Palpatine is behind Anakin’s creation.
    And if Rey is connected to him one way or another.
    A traditional “parentage reveal” that would make of her a Sky or a Solo or.. that crazy idea I have since TFA.

    Which is not Rey = Shmi. But that the Chosen One was supposed to be born later on...
    And that whatever Palpatine did to “provoke” this birth in his lifetime, changed the course of events.
    Rey is the woman that was supposed to give birth to him.

    That could also explain... the Oracle (the original giver of the prophecy or someone who knows about it)
    and the dagger. Someone knew about Rey’s destiny and wanted to kill her... with the dagger.
    Her parents left her behind because of that and/or her foster parents had a change of heat to save the life of the child.
     
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    IF this is the plot and this is the outcome for Palpertine's involvement him surviving ROTJ completely does away with the chosen one prophecy, which is a big issue for me.

    Taking it with a pinch of salt until more info comes out.
     
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    Sorry for calling you out, mate, but this is a pretty severe slight against the great people here at SWNN and their sources. SWNN is a pretty solid source of information, including spoilers. (I know you probably did not intend to belittle SWNN but I thought it was important to point out that this place has had a pretty great track record for the... 6? years its been running) :)
     
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    Especially with JJ saying that he is not only ending this trilogy, but the ENTIRE SAGA. I mean, think what Palpy has to go through to survive: he survived a fall that's impossible, he survived the death star explosion, he survived in space without any kind of breathing thing. Palpy maybe the ultimate Sith, but he is still a human-- like Vader was.
     
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    Sure. And in addition, I’d say that if you want to tie all the nine movies... then this is definitely too little.
    I mean, ok. The villain- the big one - may have been always the same.
    But is that enough to connect such a complex story? I don’t think so.
    It’s enough to change the name into “the Palpatine Saga”.
    At best. Especially if all the Skywalker die and the only survivor is Rey Palpatine
     
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    I must admit, I enjoyed TLJ, yet the only gripe I have with the film is that I waited so long to find out who Rey's parents are because I really got invested in her character. Her parents being nobodies put me off a bit, much like a big smack to the face; however, that wasn't enough for me to HATE the film, overall I still enjoyed it. But now according to these rumors, she is the granddaughter of Palpatine? (not a Skywalker or a Solo but a Palpatine) Seems subverting just to be... its just a rumor, and I hope it stays that way.
     
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    Here the the VII plot leak for context:

    https://makingstarwars.net/2015/05/a-compiled-synopsis-of-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

    Some things are correct, partially correct or just way off. For example BB8 has Luke's saber not the map to Luke. "Rey almost single-handedly takes on the gangs using her skills with a staff," that doesn't happen. There's more partially correct ones:

    "Han asks Rey and Finn what the devil they are up to. BB-8 determines that the time is right, and reveals what he is carrying: a lightsaber. Han Solo recognizes it as belonging to Luke Skywalker! It’s the one Luke lost on Bespin, in his battle against his father. Han suggests they go to see “her.” “Who’s that?” Maz Kanata–she’s a pirate. At a secret location on Yavin IV, a jungle planet that was once the home of the Rebel Alliance, and is now the main headquarters of the Resistance. She’ll know what to do. They fly there, and Rey is awed by the lush jungle, after so many years on a barren planet. They arrive at Maz Kanata’s castle. It is a pirate hideout. A range of strange and unsavory characters, alien and human, lounge about inside. Han asks for Maz Kanata. An alien escorts them into a catacomb below the pirate castle. There they meet the diminutive and wise pirate alien, Maz Kanata, played as a mo-cap character by Lupita Nyong’o."

    VISION: There is what looks to be a Jedi Academy, and the dead bodies of padawans are on the ground. Luke Skywalker shows up, too late. He sits by a funeral pyre with R2-D2. The droid is saddened by his master’s departure. Cut to the hand that takes the lightsaber at the start of the film. It is now revealed to be the hand of “Naka.” Naka accidentally starts a grass fire after igniting the saber. Cut to a local trader making a sale to a wealthy man. Cut to a fierce battle! The lightsaber is being used by the CLAN against THE SEVEN. The last man is down and Kylo Ren approaches Rey. THE SEVEN are looting and we see Maz Kanata in the foreground taking an object. END OF VISION.

    Queen Leia’s own superweapon, the Sledgehammer, is destroyed. It falls into the atmosphere of the planet and it breaks apart. At this moment, Queen Leia feels all is lost and calls for a total retreat of Resistance forces. Han Solo and the others are presumed dead. Meanwhile on the ground, Han and his crew witness the Sledgehammer’s destruction and know they have to take matters into their own hands."

    So yeah while SOME of it maybe true, it could also be way off.
     
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    It did happen when they try to steal BB8.
     
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    I really like all of that. Worst case scenario for me would have been Palpatine being a holocron, no one dying and the film being mostly about the final battle between the Resistance and The First Order.

    This plot sounds cool. That's the type of crazy stuff I want in a Star Wars movie. Can't wait to see that final showdown with the Emperor. Luke and Leia showing up will be great, I'm really hoping Anakins ghost is with them as well and is being kept a secret

    I bet Palpatine can force teleport and that's how he escaped death last time. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. It's not very inspired but I'd be surprised if that isn't how he did it.
     
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    This "script" sounds like a 100% pure bull$#!t to me. I'm afraid The Prequel Trilogy was a masterpiece compared to Disney's chaos.
     
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    So what is the dagger for ? They don't seem to use it against Palps ?

    Force Ghosts Leia and Luke showing after Ben's death ? Why not before ?
     
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    At best it's like a maximum of 75-80% accurate. But it's missing a hell of a lot of other stuff.

    I'll just bring up that in the Making of the Revenge of the Sith book, George Lucas's draft for Revenge of the Sith had Sidious claim that he was Anakin's father/creator.

    If that is reintroduced (Abrams and Terrio cribbing from the unused drafts of III and VI), then Sidious is the father of Anakin and grandfather of Leia and Luke and great grandfather of Kylo...and Rey. (Shmi) Skywalker could represent the light in the family bloodline, (Sheev) Palpatine the darkness the family is prone to, and that Padme and Han being parents along the way diluted Palpatine's grip on the new births to the family. The Rise of Skywalker under that could be about the Skywalker side - including Rey whose origins have been revealed - rising over the Palpatine side. I don't particularly like this but it's more coherent with the Saga than a separate family for Rey and it explains why the other Skywalkers support her in this story.

    Star Wars comic finally reveals Anakin’s father [was Palpatine]

    Anthony Daniels: “For me to see the magic coming to this wonderful fruition…Episode IX is just a magical coming together. J. J. [Abrams] has joined all the dots and what makes me thrilled is that the audience, the fans, I think are gonna be really pleased with what he’s done. Happy. You know there’s been some sort of ‘mmm’ questions in the past but somehow J. J.’s woven it together with I have to say a terrific cast, an absolutely brilliant crew that you never get to see, but without them we don’t got no movie. So thank you to them. And thank you to the fans for being in my life for more than 40 years. It’s kind of weird, isn’t it? And kind of lovely.” (April 12, 2019) (archive)

    Could be. We'll see.
     
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    All of that sounds good to me. The only part that might make me sad is Kylo dying -- depending on how it's handled of course. Then again, since my fandom is so centered on Ben, and since I don't fully trust Disney's current plot management or writing priorities, maybe it would be best for me if he dies? I just hope he is redeemed and gets a cool moment to shine before we lose him.

    All in all, I hope most of this is true. :-D

    Only loose ends: do we still not know what "finish what you started" meant regarding Kylo and Vader?? are the KOR just gonna be grunts during Kylo's McGuffin chases? Would be better than nothing, but, might be a bit unsatisfying... maybe.
     
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