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SPOILER The basic plot of Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker assembled from sources.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Himmel, Aug 31, 2019.

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    When is this thoroughly disproven notion going to finally die?
     
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    How is this thoroughly disproven? Rey's parentage is deliberately left unresolved at this point.

    You can think it unlikely. You can side with people like Jason Ward and company and say it is not happening. But I do not see how anything regarding Rey can be thoroughly disproven at the moment.

    Han definitely had an interesting reaction to Rey when he met her and he took a very quick liking to her. They developed a bond immediately.

    You can also fit Han into Kylo's statement about her parents. From Kylo's perspective he could very easily see his dad as 1) dead, 2) a pauper, and 3) a drunk.

    I personally don't ascribe to it, but it is still a possibility.
     
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    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" comes to mind.

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    Kylo Ren usurped something that was pretty much his. He was next in line to help run the First Order under Snoke after the death of Brendol Hux. He even killed his own father to be next in line. How would you feel if a late joiner to the First Order only a few years prior showed up, Force choked you, and took that hope away? You would try everything in your power, even try to usurp Kylo Ren at every level, even at the cost of supplying the Resistance with info just to gain that powerful position back again. Ultimately, that lust for power will probably be his downfall.

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    "You will lead these children. They will serve you. And one day soon your father will pass down his teachings to you, and you will learn to do what he did. It will be your life's work to take children like these savages and hammer their malleable minds into whatever shape you so require. They will be tools built for the work at hand. This is my gift to you, boy. One day your father will die. One day soon, I fear. And you will take his place." - Gallius Rax to Armitage Hux, 5 ABY, Aftermath: Empire's End
     
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    Do I really need to go through TFA and TLJ moment-by-moment and drag out nearly 2 years' worth of comments, clarification Tweets, and official auxiliary materials and list every single individual thing that demonstrates that Rey started out as a complete stranger to pretty much every character she has interacted with in the Sequel Trilogy thus far?
     
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    If I hypothesise that Hux is possessed by Snoke/Palpatine (which I like to), his ‘double agent’ role could be a ruse, like Palpatine let the Rebels get intel to form the trap* in ROTJ and like how Order 66 went down. It’s his style to infiltrate the enemy and then spring a nasty surprise that pulls the rug from under them, is what I’m saying.

    The trap. As in “It’s a trap!”. That trap. :D We’ve gotta have a trap in TRoS, surely? :)
     
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    He's not possessed, but Snoke did say in TLJ it's good to keep a rabid cur around. Maybe he saw the value of Palpatine using his associates to his advantage, letting things leak out and pulling that rug from underneath his enemies in one swoop.
     
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    Sure, that’s possible too. My theory is Snoke/Palpatine’s spirit took over Hux after ‘Snoke’ was chopped in two.

    But yes, either way, Snoke said a rabid cur could be a ‘sharp tool’. It seems unlikely to me this was a throwaway line, even if we don’t yet know for sure what he meant by it.
     
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    The fact that Making Star Wars, Paxix and Bespin Bulletin are all reporting similarly tells us that this could very well be a fair chunk of the films plot with some accuracy.
     
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    Is it possible that The Emperor in Return of the Jedi was a clone possessed by The Emperor? The real Emperor may have been hiding in the unknown regions back then, and stockpiled all those Star Destroyers/storm troopers as a contingency. Maybe he always knew Vader would turn back to the light, so turned his attention to Luke.

    Why would he be so confident about encouraging Luke to kill him? Seems like he had nothing to lose.. and we all know Palpatine was far too narcissistic to risk his own life like that.

    Just something that came to mind.. I think people are focusing too much on the "But how did he cheat death?" thing.. maybe he never died in the first place. (emperor)
     
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    It's interesting that Bespin and Jason don't mention Force ghost Luke or Leia for that matter. Regarding Kylo fighting the KOR... we see them in a desert location with the BTS Vanity Fair stills. So how do they get there to here fighting Kylo? Regarding Rey Palpatine... both Jason and Bespin don't bring it up, but all three note the Sith dagger and some kind of fight- at least Jedi and Bespin.
     
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    I like theories like this. Maybe Plagueis used Sheev Palpatine’s body the whole PT/OT?

    Wasn’t it rumoured an early title for TFA was ‘The Ancient Evil’ or something? That rumour really stuck in my mind and keeps coming back whenever we see talk of the unknown regions, or thinking about how they could expand the lore of Snoke or Palpatine or Plagueis...

    There are all these pieces on the board that it feels like could add up to something we still haven’t seen, even in these detailed plot spoilers... maybe something that will be left hanging for future films even. The exact nature of some ancient evil out in the distant reaches of space that had some vital role. Maybe. Or maybe not. We’ll see soon! Unless we don’t. Hahah.
     
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    Not so much TLJ but especially with TFA that pattern did start to emerge. TFA was leaked so ahead of its time places like reddit and 4chan went with most of the leaks and then added there own slant on the rumors. You will probably see that happening again in the weeks and months running up to the film. Expect another spike in 'leaks' and 'rumours' around Force Friday. and also around the time of when the trailers start to land. Stay with the trusted, that's all I can say.
     
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    And when people can actually review/see the movie, that's how we knew Maul was in Solo as a cameo.
     
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    Current so-called leaks from most well known to least.
    Making Star Wars (Jason Ward)
    JediPaxis (reddit - moderator) (real name unknown) (August 30, 2019)
    ViewerAnon (2) (twitter) (real name unknown) (August 30-31, 2019)
    BespinBulletin (instagram) (real name unknown) (September 2, 2019)
    VGCultureHQ (2) (Morgan Lewis - editor in chief) using many supposed details provided by MillenniumFalcon.com's Ki Adi Moonshine (real name unknown), August 25, August 31, 2019)

    As it's been known over the years, I don't like reddit or garbagechan (only useful thing that came out of there was Mizzlewump 5 years ago) or the defunct IMDb forums (for user plaid_harvest) who often take compilations of what's already been published and add their own nonsense spins on them, so I'm more willing to consider people from outside of there, but still buyer beware because the same thing can happen. We can thoroughly ridicule them later.
     
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    If Palpatine could clone himself, he wouldn't have needed to try to gain access to the World Between Worlds because his only purpose in doing so was seeking immortality.
     
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    I stated something similar to this on reddit and got my post moved to another forum because they said I was critical and don't like the new trilogy. lol

    Not true. I love the new trilogy and I'd say most everyone here knows that, but wow are they cracking down over there if you say anything they don't like. Which what I said wasn't even bad or critical.
     
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    What I don’t understand is how Jason Ward hasn’t been approached by Disney/Lucasfilm lawyers... wasn’t AT-AT chat approached by them for information he gave on his videos? I’m confused how he can get away offering so many credible leaks. Is it because he puts up a spoiler warning?
     
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    This website was one of the original leak sites for The Force Awakens. Viral Hide has been in the know with credible sources and leaks for years. However, as time has progressed, it seems he has built a strong relationship with Lucasfilm and this website mostly only posts standard news as well as confirms the information posted by other sources.

    I think making Star Wars and Jason Ward has a lesser relationship with Lucasfilm. The other thing is Jason Ward used to really leak more stuff. He seems to get around some things by simply describing what he has seen or he will have someone sketch what he has seen. These websites used to leak much more material.

    The fact that we even have this much information this early is surprising. We really did not get these leaks to this extent with the Last Jedi. Seems like JJ’s boys are more chatter boxes :D
     
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    I think that the biggest questions are
    1- Was it confirmed or not that Ian has joined the cast? Officially. Because until now I don’t think it was.
    2- the rumors about Matt Smith. Like I said a while ago, I don’t see any reason to keep the secret unless he played a character we already know. And if so, then it has to be Palpatine. A younger version of him. If he played a new character (even Rey’s father, or a KOR or whatever) there’s not reason to keep the secret. You only have to say “he’s a new character “ without adding too much details.
    But of course only if the rumors are true.

    The 2 questions however seem to be connected
     
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