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SPOILER The basic plot of Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker assembled from sources.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Himmel, Aug 31, 2019.

  1. Trevor

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    Just as soon as someone PROVES on screen that nobody knows her, and if it's been "disproven" as you say...please show me that proof. Until I SEE it, it isn't disproven.
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    In most cases, he'd be contacted about leaked photos, and POLITELY (at first) asked to take them down....it's happened to us here, however when it comes to verbal leaks, they're really not a tangible thing like photos, and so Disney may just leave them unaddressed, because if they DO step up to own a leak and/or ask for it's removal, then it becomes fact.

    Photos in most cases are contextual, but descriptive verbal leaks are better left alone, otherwise they are basically confirmed if the studio addresses them....so they just leave them and hope that they die in speculation.
     
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    Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Conspiracy theory take: what if they intentionally give out leaks? Like the Russo Brothers called Stark's death "a wedding" during production, instead of a funeral.
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    True... but is first reaction wasn't any kind of reaction from someone wanting the throne so to speak. "WE HAVE NO SUPREME LEA--" "LONG LIVE THE SUPREME LEADER."
     
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    This "leak" contradicts previously established material, and just frankly comes across as nothing more than fan fiction. These two in particular are pretty telling.

    • A Leia force ghost, Leia had a lightsaber... Abrams said she never undertook Jedi training. Not to mention the obvious fact that all footage of Carrie Fisher is extremely limited.
    • Palpatine wants to gift an empire to someone else. He destroyed his last one purely because it failed him, him simply giving his improved one away is hardly in his character.
     
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    no, his first reaction was to berate Ren for presuming to command HIS army.
    his second reaction (in the midst of being choked and realizing he was powerless against him) was pure self-preservation. XD
     
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    i fail to see the happy ending to this 40 years - 9 movie saga if what is in that leak comes to pass. the whole thing is turned into a tragedy and isn't about family at all.

    it's a big fat smelly pile of Bantha poop if you ask me, and it's interesting that Jason Ward has only reported certain bits that potentially line up with the trailer.

    also, the Leia stuff detailed in there... unless Carrie filmed all of that during TFA, then it would be going against everything JJ said when he talked about how he was incorporating Carrie into this movie.
     
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    I would think Hux would try and play both sides to get Ren out of the picture, then use the trust he gains from the Resistance to betray them. That would be more in Hux's character.
     
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    now this ^ sounds like the Armitage Hux that i've read about !
    yes please !!
     
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    So about those Star Destroyers with giants canons. When I saw this image something immediately came to mind. Han's line in ANH after discovering Alderaan was destroyed. He says "The Empire couldn't destroy a whole planet it would take a thousand ships with more fire power than I've..."

    Well Han, here ya go!

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    I agree. But even more so I’d say, the JP’s leaks seem not only to lack some important context, but to undermine the FO plot.

    I don’t know who controls the Sith troopers or if whether or not they are a tool in Sidius’s plan etc... for instance, but this has to be tied to FO plot and to the relationship between Hux and Kylo.

    And quite frankly I don’t see why Hux should not be ready to welcome back Sidius. Same goes for the rest of the FO, that presumably was originally made by Imperialist nostalgics.
    I see little room for a team up FO + Resistance vs Sidius.
    I can see at best (even if I don’t 100% buy it) a team up between Kylo (just because he may me betrayed by Hux’s faction)
    and the good ius vs FO and Sidius.

    And even that doesn’t fit well the leaks
     
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    there are divided loyalties within the FO.
    Hux does not support the old Imperial ways and considers Palpatine a traitor and a failure.
    it's part of why the older command who are loyal to Palpatine (people like Canady) don't trust or respect him.

    if you are in the "shouldn't have to read the EU to understand the politics of the ST" group, feel free to ignore this post. : D
     
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    Ok and no, I won't ignore it.
    Because the point is still - just like you say - that there are divided loyalties.
    And not matter how they'll play out... still "my enemy's enemy is my friend.

    What I am trying to say, is that the leaks seem to ignore the possible role that these factions are going to play.

    I bet it will be relevant, leading up to the finale.
     
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    yeah, who's to say that Hux won't decide that siding with Sidious is preferable to having Ren in control.
    or Hux comes to realize that the First Order is fatally disordered and needs to be put down.
    or maybe it's Hux, period. he finds Palpatine's contingency and decides to activate it thinking to seize power.

    i don't put much stock in the leaks. even if there are accuracies, they are probably so wildly out of context they might as well be false.
    Anakin Skywalker was a big sea monster on the coast of Ahch-To after all ~ hahahahaha
     
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    I think there can be multiple ways to provide this motivation, should Hux actually be opposed to Palpatine.

    The EU can lay the foundation for a distate in Hux's mouth, while the film can provide the big inciting incident that leads to Hux going full on rebellious.

    For instance, I've heard rumors that Palpatine's plans revolve around letting the First Order and Resistance destroy each other, then sweeping through the ashes with his new Empire. I could see Hux's allegience being with the First Order over Palpatine himself, even from just how he's characterized in the films (though in addition, given how in his eyes, he'd view the FO as superior).
     
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    "Unimpressive. Most unimpressive...."




    What happens if I only take this as a pinch of salt & it ends up weighing a ton?
     
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    That makes sense.
    Jason ward says that he has these rumours confirmed, obviously by people working in Lucasfilm and bad robot... Those companies must know who is confirming all these rumours, right? I’d say those workers are legally bound to keep their mouths shut... but yes, it would be hard to find a leaker who leaks face to face or by phone.
     
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    It's pretty complicated, actually.

    In most cases if you're a leaker, then you're typically in a position to know that material, and in this day and age it can be pretty easy to deduce (down to a group of people) who is/are responsible for it from the inside, so people are pretty careful about how they leak the information or confirm it.

    THE VERY BEST WAY to get a leak confirmed is to have a contact related to a production and ask that person a question, but anyone with a sense of self preservation will either just deny a leak if it's false, OR in the event a leak has decent credibility, your best answer is; "I really can't comment on that", which to the information seeker serves as at least SOME confirmation.

    That's how most of them are even remotely confirmed, and anyone just foolishly giving away that information without looking over their shoulder are destined to be looking for a new job...soon! :)
     
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    I don't think Hux is going to be around long enough to side with the FO or Palpatine. I'll bet anything he's outed pretty early and killed, thus replaced by General Pryde. He may not even be alive by the time Palpatine is revealed.
     
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    I am not saying that I am sure it will go one way or another.
    What I am saying is that the factions among the FO represented by Kylo on one side and Hux on the other are going to be particularly important in the plot of the movie. And that the Sidius’s plot, or the Sith stormtroopers plot, not to mention the possibly “lost Imperial fleet plot”, most likely are going to be tied to the FO factions plot.

    And that all the leaks we saw so far - those who consider Hux a mole too - seem to describe scenarios that at best are B plot when it comes to all of this. I really think it will be more important.
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    I didn’t hear this rumor but I’ve speculated about it. :)
     
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    perhaps.

    I suspect that the tooling and humiliation has been swelling inside Hux, and that he will firmly have his eye on the top job. Pryde could simply be someone that attempts to take that position before him... and ends up being well and truly stomped on by Huxicles. Pryde could be the character he takes it all out on, so that we see him in a true position of power again.
     
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    Jason was Skyping someone in the UK during TFA. How do I know? Basically in his podcast he had to get up at 'ridiclous' O'clock to confirm details. That was from his own mouth. So he was in contact with someone but he was also corroborating data with Star Wars Underworld. The main rumour of the time, that was the main place he was getting his information. Who they were using and who he was Skyping remains the big question.
     
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