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SPOILER The Basic Plot of The Rise of Skywalker, Updated and Expanded: Act I (Via JediPaxis)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Himmel, Sep 17, 2019.

  1. lealt

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    yes. But I don’t think that this is a device that serves the purpose JP spoke about.
    So basically a code breaker or something under those lines.

    I believe this is going to be used on C3PO....



    And if so, that would prove once again that the leakers have access to some marketing material but know nothing about the plot.

    But I would say this: that probably the first tidbits that MSW shared were more accurate.
    I believe that the point may be “C3PO’s memory”.
    Or to rephrase that the point is not that he have to translate the dagger, but that they have to recover some information from his old and erased memory.


    And... I also think that the good guys end up on the desert planet and on the DS planet, because Rey had visions/force fights with Kylo on those planets.
    Basically, that Kylo’s tie vs Rey on Pasaana and the duel on the DS are “visions” (those force back visions MSW mentioned some time ago) and that she lead the good guys on those places because of that.
     
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    Is this what you're referring to? From Reddit user SorryNotSpartacus:
    "Awesome. I tried to post this link on Leaks earlier. My guess is that it's because you posted it, and the automod filter caught it, but is also catching everything else that's posted because it is set to flag double posts. Here is what I wrote though in my post about it: First, a caveat: I have tried my best to record the actual relevant info as it stands here, but obviously this is not a transcript. Also, have a sense of responsibility. The way I discovered this was by someone saying that Jason was mouthing off about how the Paxis leaks are all absolutely 100% detail accurate and true, and doubling down on BEN DIES NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN. That was not only an inaccurate read of what he said, but it didn't even indicate the new and relevant info below. **Obviously no one is making you listen to every single podcast or thing Jason or JediPaxis says, but be aware that if you're not doing the work to completely access the info that is publicly available to us all, you probably should not be spreading rumors as if you did.** Anyway: The highlights for this [video](
    ). 1. Den of Nerds asks about the FOOSLS leaks from way back in April (not mentioned by name, just referred to as the leak about a Star Forge, and about Rey and Ben having a child through the Force). Note: This is a thing I only mention because I still see people wondering about it in the comments off and on. Jason says not only has he heard nothing like that but that he would not bet on it. 2. There's a scene before Finn and Poe meet with Boolio (asteroid planet) where they play holochess with Chewie. 3. Kylo's scene where he gets the mask is still in the movie as far as anyone knows. 4. Leia's last words to Rey before she departs may be "Tell me when you get back." 5. There is an alley on Kijimi, and Babu Frik brings them through this back alley and little bar in order to get to the droid ship. 6. Jason seems to misspeak here, given the persons involved, but he says that during the Kijimi force bond where Kylo realizes Rey is on his ship, the Vader helmet is transferred from whoever is near it to the person who is on planet through the force bond. This happens due to the fight they are having, when the lightsaber strikes the helmet. (Personal note: This marks two times in the film where physical objects have been teleported through the bond. Den of Nerds also seems to note this, and suggests this may be how the lightsaber travels from Rey to Ben during the KOR fight later on.) 7. Jason does not believe Han is a force ghost, but that he is a vision. [He thinks it may be unclear](
    ), and does point out that while originally Rey's parents were ghosts at the end of the film, they seem to have been pulled. (Personal note: I would argue that the removal of Rey's parents may partly be to make this unclear, particularly given that China has certain rules about the presence of ghosts in films.) 8. The kiss that Jason knows about in this film is between two unnamed female Resistance fighters. "It's not a big deal. It happens, and it's just there." He also indicates that if people are hoping for a big reylo kiss, he doesn't know, which suggests that it's less that Jason's been told this is 100% the only kiss of the film. More that the only one sources indicate right now is this one. (Personal note: That said, it may well be the case that it is the only one.) 9. Jason refers to a recent finnrey rumor he heard, where Finn kept trying to say something to Rey and plot kept getting in his way. Jason's wording seems to imply it was the source's opinion that Finn was trying to express personal feelings to Rey, per the rumor as we last heard it. Jason now says that the source says what has changed in the reshoots is that Finnrose is indeed a thing, and that she does lots of small gestures in the film in order to suggest they're a couple (eg. packing his bag for him before he leaves). (Personal note: I had heard during filming that finnrose were basically an established fact. Jason doesn't bring it up here, but previous MSW reports indicate he heard the same. I believe it's much more likely that the source Jason is referring to simply is assigning a change to reshoots when the fact is they were always misinterpreting based on limited info, and now they have more.) 10. Jason also thinks Rose has bigger stuff back at the base that we just haven't heard yet. 11. Luke and Leia seem to be back as force ghosts on Tatooine. 12. Jason contrary to rumors reiterates that he does not think "and never seen again" is going to be an accurate reflection of Ben's death. Den of Nerds suggests that because of their bond Kylo may be a ghost somewhere between living and dead. Jason says it seems plausible to him, and refers to the original ROTJ ending where Anakin is essentially brought back to life by Obi Wan right before he enters the nether realm. He also later just points out the obvious: No one who has just fallen into a hole in SW has ever been dead. 13. Den of Nerds refers to the way the Paxis leaks have been reported, which seem to paint a very villainous Kylo up until his turn, and none of the romantic subtext of TLJ. He asks if Jason thinks this is accurate. Jason says not very. He discusses how Kylo clearly continues to be very attached to Rey--"he has no one else." He is a "prodigy" and Rey is the only person he's met like him. Jason repeats that for a SW film, which is very non-sexual, he finds it to be very intensely reylo/romantic that Kylo enters a situation with no hope of living, no plan, no weapon, simply to save someone he cares about deeply. He mentions the Irvin Kirshner quote that a kiss in SW is basically a sex scene, and suggests that a gesture on this level may be basically a kiss. (Though he also says that of course love does not have to be only romantic.) 14. (Personal note: Jason talks, as he has talked throughout the past several podcasts, that he feels like he is on the reylo side. He and Den of Nerds talk a lot about how the reylo community is pretty overall good, and that they have been treated very unfairly.)"
     
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    Ticket off the hot rock she's on.
     
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    So anybody see anything in the trailer that supports or refutes the veracity of the leaks? Personally I saw several things that support the leaks although the trailer itself was nothing like the trailer leak description JW gave on MSW. So I'm interested to see how this shakes out. I still think the two main leakers. JW and JP might get 70 percentish accurate which is about as well as JW did for TFA.
     
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    With reported 8 edits of the film being considered, honestly, who knows what they'll do? There was obviously no well thought out story arc from the beginning to make this a cohesive trilogy that makes sense. It will basically be what a couple of Disney execs in an editing room deciding - based on what they believe will be the most profitable outcome.

    Seriously, who doesn't see this by now? I'm so disappointed with how they've handled this franchise.
     
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    The entire trailer lines up with the outlines
     
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    This is the first I’ve heard of this. Could you provide a source?
     
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    This is the typical negative Nancy misinterpretation of a single tweet.



    They're testing small changes to the ending to get the emotional tone correct. This pretty common for JJ films, but it goes to show how quickly the negative people in the fanbase cling to whatever they can to create a narrative to gloom

    So far the trailer pretty much supports the leaks we've heard. The people complaining about the leaks is very much in line with how people were reacting to the Endgame leaks.

    If you want to complain about out of context leaks wait until you see the film.
     
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    Yeah, I kinda figured. But I try to give people the benefit of the doubt until I know for sure that they're misinterpreting something.

    Or worse yet... getting their info from YouTube. :eek:
     
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    I'm still somewhat skeptical though. Just the amount of so called "reshoots" are to high. For it to not be reported by more major/reliable entertainment sites like Deadline.
     
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    I've seen the rumors of 6-12 different endings, but I don't really believe any of that (as well as massive reshoots). But when I did see the rumor (YouTube) the person discussing it said 1. he didn't necessarily believe it and 2. take it or leave it as you wish. So I'm not going to call them out for being overly negative. They admitted it was a rumor from a "source" but didn't know if they believed it or not.

    As for the trailer itself, I'm not sure that you could say it really does confirm or disprove any of the leaks. Although, now that I think about it, I seem to remember there being a leak that Rey is alone with Darth Siddious who is on his throne, and the trailer does appear to confirm that one. I don't remember the leaks mentioning horses being ridden on the Star Destroyer (That made me cringe to be honest).
     
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    The imagery from the trailer does confirm a lot of things we'd heard/seen leaked by people, but context is key, and so we can't know whether or not the things that we've heard/seen about the leaks and that have been confirmed by the trailer work on a narrative level until we actually see the film.
     
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    Yeah, that's from the same tweet I linked above. The have done some pickups which is in line with typical JJ productions. They're not making major changes. Pickups are just trying to get the best performances out of the scenes they've created.
    That looked really cool. Pretty awesome shot. I'm not surprised it's not mentioned in leaks since most of the leaks are centered on Rey/Kylo/Palpatine.
     
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    Paxis did mention the orbaks being ridden on the Star Destroyer...

    From his story summary v3.0: "At one point during the battle, Finn and Jannah (joined by others, but exactly who is not clear to me right now) land on Pryde's flagship to destroy it [a control tower] ... I'm told that it has the feel of a 'D-Day style landing' using the creatures Jannah has been seen riding in promo photos..."
     
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    Oh I think it LOOKS good, but that is not what made me cringe. It is the idea of riding space horses on a ship.... I guess the old sailor in me was like "Horses don't belong ON ships!!!!" LMAO

    Overall the film looks fantastic, and I'm sure it will sound fantastic. That was the thing with TFA that I noticed: the sound was freakin amazing. After seeing it in XD I went to see it in IMAX and the sound was just... WOW.

    I wouldn't expect them to be making major changes. I guess they could be, but I doubt it. I hope it is a success. I'm still worried (strangely the April teaser got me more excited than this one) but I think that's thanks to the plot leaks. They sound less than good when I read them but hopefully the execution will mean the film is awesome.
     
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    THIS.

    Sight and sound amazement are hallmarks of the SAGA.
     
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    There we have it. I don’t think the leaks by Paxis, MSW and Bespin can be completely ignored any longer. As I have said before some of the specifics may be wrong and of course context is missing, but we have a basic outline of the movie
     
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    ^ I don't think we can say with certainty that we do have a "basic outline" of this film based on the leaks because, again, context is key, and the trailer confirming some of the leaks in no way means that what has been confirmed happens the way that the leaks described it as happening.
     
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    There is a lot of context in the JP leaks. At this point there is no reason whatsoever to distrust those leaks. And they are disgusting.

    MOD EDIT
     
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    Hyperbolic much?

    Also, assumed/speculated context is not the same thing as actual context, which we can't get until we actually see the movie.
     
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