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SPOILER The Basic Plot of The Rise of Skywalker, Updated and Expanded: Act I (Via JediPaxis)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Himmel, Sep 17, 2019.

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    Anyone who uses the Dark Side cannot bind with a Kyber Crystal on their own. They have to steal the crystals of others and 'corrupt' them using the Dark Side, which 'bleeds' them and turns the blade generated by said crystals red (which is why all of the Dark Side users we have seen, be they Sith, Nightsisters/Nightbrothers, etc.) have red-bladed lightsabers.
     
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    I don't have a problem with the idea of moving on, or the Jedi evolving. I mean, would anyone want to mimic the order as it was at the outset of the Clone Wars? Or even when Anakin joined? They weren't what they had been and that allowed Darth Sidious to take over.

    I don't think she needs to make her own lightsaber so she can "be a Jedi." I think they should have said the saber was destroyed on the Supremacy. I mean the darn thing blew up and knocked them both out. Have her make her own saber to get away from this legacy, to signify she's coming into her own.

    And Illum isn't the only place where one can find Kyber crystals. So even if it was destroyed, would it really matter? Like I said, handle it off screen and have Kylo mention something like "You've built a. new lightsaber?"
     
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    You can get crystals on Illum, Dantooine Caves, and the Black Market.

    What ought to happen is Rey uses Anakin’s legacy trailer until she comfronts the Dark Side (Dark Rey) and when she prevails she constructs a new lightsaber for her final duel with Kylo. She then gives the Legacy Blue saber to redeemed Ben or perhaps it finds its way to Broomboy (TLJ)?
     
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    Technically, Rey has built her own saber because she reconstructed Anakin's after it got pulled apart.
     
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    if the rumors are correct she will have a new lightsaber at the very end of the film. It will be interesting to see since we know JJ changed up the ending at least once
     
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    I hope so. It would be epic if it was a yellow bladed lightsaber.
     
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    I’d bet she has a new lightsaber by the end, if for no other reason than Disney not missing a trick with another toy to sell..

    I can’t believe this trilogy is coming to an end. I took my heavily pregnant partner to the cinema to see TFA, our little boy was born in the early hours of the next day, rather quickly and delivered by me (not by choice, but amazing and scary all at once)... Now he’ll soon be 4yrs old, and has a little sister born in June 19.. I’ve recently handed my original figures down to him, and he bloody loves them!! He can’t believe how lucky he is to have all these StarWars characters in toy versions. Makes me so happy, cos I loved those toys too.

    As a Mr Lennon once said ‘life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans’.. He was very right.
     
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    Jason Ward continues to report on details that make it hard to dispute the accuracy of a lot of the leaks that were reported on by JediPaxis, so whether or not it all works is going to come down to nuance and execution.
     
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    For what it's worth, I think the footage looks amazing. Even though I'm not a big fan of the leaks. So, maybe JP just wrote it poorly.
     
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    Whau... thank you. I didn't see that. But, it may be far more interesting than that.
    Because I checked and I don't know what to think about it but I've found something else that I believe it's worth discussing...

    I am very sorry I cannot upload the images I've made to show you all... I'll do it later on.
    But in short...

    In that climbing scene she's wearing what looks like a backpack. It's not the white satchel we see before (in group scene above the cliff looking at the DS' ruins).

    But the very interesting thing is another one...
    That she wears what I believe is the same backpack (with a cross band on her chest) in some other scenes:

    - On the desert planet (group scene looking at the villagers + chasing scene)
    - The mind trick scene on the SD
    - While she's entering the white room with Vader's helmet.

    But... the same backpack and its cross band are gone:
    - In the scene Rey vs the Tie in the desert
    - In the fighting scene with Kylo (that of the dagger etc...) set in the same white room
    - when she's jumping from the hanger to the falcon....
    - In any other scene with Kylo on the Death Star

    Meaning... I have not idea. But I must admit that the chance that some of these are visions or force-projections with setting somehow juxtaposed... is growing on me.
    Still I cannot connect all the dots, to have a sequence in order.

    Any guess?

    ___

    About the scarf however... I see your point. But I still think Poe wears it on his neck before moving to the desert planet.

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    I know it's not the clearest one and sure this may be the moment he takes it on... but still... None of the characters changes outfit, why should he?

    In addition, look at this:
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    The scarf is gone, but there's a proper bandage and it may be harder to catch any sign of it in this scene
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    especially because the angle is not the best one to do so.


    So, overall, my bet, is still that the MF jump scene is later on. After the Star Destroyer and after the re-group on the rebel base.
     
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    Yellow would be appropriate. Rey falls into the Jedi Sentinel (historically yellow saber weilders) archetype. And looks like one of the most famous (not sure if she's still canon) Jedi Sentinels Bastila Shan.
     
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    Oh boy, maybe context makes it all work, but supposedly the leaks are the major plot points. So, if things play out like the leaks suggest, it's hard for me to imagine this movie (and possibly the whole sequel trilogy) not being divisive.
     
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    It's difficult to imagine any Star Wars film not ticking off someone. The leaks are fine to me, but without seeing the film itself it's impossible to judge it. I watch these films because I love the characters and how they interact. If it's a fun thrill ride that's all that really matters.
     
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    Everything about Star Wars is divisive. There are people who have not liked anything related to star wars for 36 years. In many ways they drive the narrative. They are the most vocal people on twitter and on this site. I accepted that it does not matter what they do 50% of the audience will claim their whole lives have been ruined.

    That being said, I think this trilogy would have benefited from planning out all three films before shooting the first one. The last Jedi I liked, did it destroy my image of Luke, yes, but that needed to be done. If this film was shot ten years earlier, I think luke is not a hermit on an island, but given the time that has gone by in real life, something had to be done, the choice was realistic, more real than what the EU had, and I liked the Jana Jason storyline.
     
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    As a Last Jedi fan, my sense is I probably will hate all this initially and learn to be ok with it over time. Feels like all of it is moot though if they don't explain how the emperor is still alive (and keeping it vague like the leaks imply doesn't seem good enough to me). Everybody coming into this movie is going to know how ROTJ ends so to not address it would be baffling (and saying read the novelization doesn't seem like a good excuse, more people are going to see this movie then are going to read any SW books).

    I also get this whole the OT was not planned out either, but it feels like there was still a head creative (Lucas) overseeing it even when he wasn't directing. You get the sense that there isn't a buck stops here person (which I guess is supposed to be Kennedy) and instead everybody is just doing their own thing with no sense of there being a bigger picture.

    But we'll see, it's just feelings based on the things we're reading, like I said context could make it work better then what the words say.
     
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    They must explain how he lived, it is a must, to leave it unexplored defeats the entire purpose of the trilogy. You don't have to say a lot, but even saying he used the powers he learned to cheat death, creates the master question of the film. How do you defeat someone who knows how to cheat death? But it must be explained, I won't believe until i see it that they don't explain it.
     
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    Well, first up, I'm still pretty sure it's the same satchel we see throughout... looks like the same off-white strap with a single buckle to me.
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    I'd say, if you were trying to fit all of the things you mention in with the Paxis timeline it would go something like this...

    Rey wears the satchel for the Pasaana trip, presumably because they are intending to collect the dagger.
    They eventually end up at Ochie's ship and get the weapon.
    It's hard to be sure of the next chain of events with regards to how the bag may be involved (does Rey ever put the dagger in the bag - you would presume so, if you believe she took it there for that purpose?). Either way, she leaves the dagger (and bag) and rushes off to face Kylo (hence no bag in the Rey vs TIE shot).

    Chewbacca appears to be in possession of the dagger (and bag?) when he takes on the Knights of Ren, and is ultimately captured.
    Later, Rey sneaks on to Kylo's Star Destroyer and recovers the dagger (and bag?), then is drawn to the room with Vader's mask where she encounters Kylo again via the Force connection.
    (The only question here is whether the bag goes with Chewie and the dagger, or whether the bag is left back at Ochie's ship - but either works).

    Entirely speculation on my part, but choreographing a duel sequence with one of the participants wearing a backpack would seem a bit messy - I reckon it would be quite easy to have her remove the satchel or have it taken from her to make the encounter work better from a logistical point of view.
    Hard to say, but we know at some point she is holding the dagger in her hand and is not wearing the satchel as she faces Kylo - is there a struggle for the bag? Does she simply set it aside as she goes to inspect Vader's mask?
    Either way, I can see scenarios that could easily explain why it is absent.

    After the duel, she takes the bag, along with her staff and Chewbacca's belongings and eventually hands them to Threepio...
    Threepio with gear small.jpg
    ... so this is why she is not wearing the satchel when she makes the leap from the hangar to the Falcon.

    And then she needs the satchel again for the trip to Kef Bir, as retrieving the wayfinder becomes the new objective, hence she is holding it as they look out over the Death Star remains and while exploring them.



    Out of all those, the only scene that I'm dubious about is the Rey vs TIE shot - as you say, the Force connection thing makes it hard to be sure about anything we see.
    This shot always struck me as being one of those moments, and the shot of the burning TIE on Ahch-To only makes me more dubious that Rey is not actually on Pasaana in this scene.


    Forgot about the pic of Poe with the "proper" bandage.
    I dunno - the only other thing that makes me tie the Falcon shot from the international trailer in with the Paxis stuff is the presence of Klaud in the cockpit.
    But given the recent MSW leak about the nature of the trip to Exogol, it is certainly an option that this shot goes with the more recent shot of the blockade runner in the weird red environment... so you might be right.
     
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    Dude got thrown down a huge shaft and was in a big explosion, I think you need a little more explanation then that. If they get more specific into how he used his powers then that'd probably work.

    It would be a baffling decision to not explain it but the one thing that makes me think that might be the case is if we are to believe the leaks are correct, then that's the one major thing they haven't explained. The best they've said is it is ambiguous, which sounds too mystery box-y to me for the movie that is supposed to be an ending.
     
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    I think we haven't heard it because these scenes are shot with 2 actors, likely kylo and sheev. There is minimal crew and nothing else is given to the crew. That's my best guess. Although I think the leaks are mostly true, I do think that there are specific details that are guesses placed in there to fill in gaps from information sources where there is none. So I like to think we will get an explanation from someone. I tend to throw Rey is a palpatine in to this as well. The general idea is true, but we have no information on how this came about. This information is in a scene with Rey and someone alone. That's it.
     
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