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SPOILER The Basic Plot of The Rise of Skywalker, Updated and Expanded: Act I (Via JediPaxis)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Himmel, Sep 17, 2019.

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    A couple of things:
    1) You can't clone Force-sensitive people in current SW Canon

    2) It's not at all an uncommon thing for long-running stories to lead the characters and audience to believe that something has been accomplished only to later reveal that said belief was incorrect; doing so doesn't in any way invalidate the characters' previous actions , however, because said actions had merit at the time they were taken even though the outcome was not quite what they believed it to be.

    Two examples of this would be the heroic and sacrificial death of Buffy Summers in the 5th season finale of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and the defeat of Myotismon in Digimon Adventure 01. Both of these story points were later followed up on/undone, but still held narrative weight and consequence because of the circumstances under which they occurred.
     
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    I posted that the very day before TLJ. What I wasn't expecting is that I'll be one of them.
     
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    He's not saying it's false...right?
     
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    he was asked about palpatine having kids (Jedipaxis and MSW both claiming she is the granddaughter) and he commented that palpy didn't have kids in the current canon. Which means nothing for IX because it's writing canon as we speak.
     
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    The bolded part of this post is incorrect because TRoS became part of the current Canon the moment it went into production even if Pablo is saying otherwise.
     
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    Hidalgo claimed back in 2016 it was fair to ask him about Palpatine after VIII came out.

    Q:is emperor palpatine related to Rey?
    PH: Ask me in about two thirds of a trilogy from now. (September 20, 2016) (archive)

    I don't believe all of the Paxis stuff even if it's mostly correct. Either someone is trying to conceal themselves by putting out a poisoned chalice, and stuff has changed, or they've resorted to TESB tricks that Abrams said was great, for example.

    Lando lost a kid and the kid's former Stormtrooper and suddenly becomes Jannah? Rey stabs Kylo through the chest after Leia dies, then she magically revives him and takes off? Palpatine has been living as an underground hospital bed man for the past 30 years? I could go on, but I'd hope others have beaten me to the punch.
     
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    I remain skeptical to this outline. The leaker (or their source) has incredible detail of the film – they can't have simply glimpsed props and overheard the odd scene being discussed, as they even know the minute meaning behind arcs and segments and scenes as well as the general order of scenes and relationships between them – yet they cannot confirm the spelling of certain characters and have obviously not read the actual script. So, have they sat in on a table read of the script? Or had the script read out loud to them? I remain doubtful…

    Also, why are there no scenes of Leia politicking with New Republic officials to convince them to join the fight against the First Order? We KNOW that Leia had a whole segment of such stuff cut from TFA, the only major things in her arc that we know to have been cut, so with JJ reusing cut scenes in RoS one would expect to see these moments restored, no?

    IMHO, this outline being fake (i.e. based off of other leaks with a large dose of original writing added) is much more likely than it being a factual rundown of RoS.
     
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    Tell me, before we heard that old laugh from Palpatine at Star Wars Celebration did anyone in the community even have the slightest idea he was coming back? No and if they say otherwise they’re lying through their teeth. It wasn’t leaked at all, no matter what set pic was leaked, what little hint of a costume we got, we never heard anything about Palpatine being back or Ian even spotted on set. It was a tight lipped secret.
     
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    You listed some good points and summed it up very well, in fact I agree with all three points listed - to a certain extent, but I wouldn't call them hacks. I'd say there's a good chance, that JJ can bring back Palpatine in a way that the story won't ruin the Chosen One story.
     
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    If Palaptine is truly alive, then Anakin has to return to fulfill the prophecy. But if they don't want to use Anakin and still bring Palaptine back, then he shouldn't be alive and be more like an evil spirit. This wouldn't ruin the prophecy.
     
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    I suspect a portion of this correct. Especially since much of it lines up with MSW. However, I think there is also some “reading between the lines” that is going in which could be somewhat misinterpreted. Also with the reshoots going on there is the possibility of changes being made as well
     
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    Jedi's leak hasn't brought up KOR involvement?
     
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    We know they are on Pasaana sp?. It will be interesting to see what role they play. Better yet, how much of a role they play. There has not been a whole lot of leaks about the KOR in general. I believe MSW said they were involved in the scene with the reforging of Kylo’s mask. Which also has not shown up in Jedi Paxis’ material.
     
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    These leaks don't mention the KOR and Sith Troopers. This is something what makes me doubtful.

    MSW was often wrong though. For example for TLJ they said the KOR would fight Luke on Ahch-To or quite recently the said Rey is a Solo.
     
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    This.
     
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    I agree and it seems with JJ things change as he goes along, however I would say that MSW has been more correct than wrong which is why I feel like some of this is correct and not necessarily all of it.
     
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    I agree with @MagnarTheGreat and @Angelman

    And I'd add that another source of "misleading" info may be a story board.
    Take for instance the way JP describes Kylo reaching the planet and the place where Palpatine is.
    There's a very detailed description of the set itself.
    And that is something you may actually get from a story board.
    But again, what is the context, when it does happen... that's another kind of thing.

    I personally believe that it may be a vision... a vision given to him by whoever the Oracle is, or from his mask once it is reforged.

    Like I said earlier, there must be a reason if we see the reforging on screen.
    And whatever that reason may be, it doesn't fit well with this synopsis.

    Not only because JP doesn't mention it, but because so far whatever scene we had "seen" in official sources that he had spoke about, has Kylo not wearing the mask.
    So he shouldn't be wearing it until the end of the second act. Or id he does, he does for a second with 0 purpose.

    And in JP's synopsis Kylo is redeemed by the end act 2.
     
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    The only way we can confirm is wait and see till Dec 20th. I've said it before, I just find it hard to believe that some random Reddit user knows the plot of TROS. As far as I'm aware, no leaker got the title right, Palpy's involvement or Dark Rey for that matter. Only after D23 have leaks come out regarding Dark Rey. Regardless of the users track record, and MSW for that matter (unless Lucasfilm as approved intentionally giving out leaks). Given Lucasfilm's insane attempts of keeping things from leaking. I don't think it's crazy that they would do that. That doesn't mean that someone can't guess the plot of TROS based on what's out there already; which is obviously not Lucasfilm's fault.
     
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    This bears repeating since people seem to be starting to doubt this stuff because of the in-depth detail: What JediPaxis is posting is not the actual act structure of the film, so while it might seem like what he's saying is far too specific to be real, things are not being described in the order in which they actually occur.
     
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