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SPOILER The Basic Plot of The Rise of Skywalker, Updated and Expanded: Act I (Via JediPaxis)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Himmel, Sep 17, 2019.

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    Imagine thinking you can throw out MOST of the new treatments that the creator sold you and NOT tell him about it ahead of time, all while expecting him to love your total disregard for his vision. All in the first 5 mins of your meeting. As I read excerpt(s) from Iggy's book, I decided he's a disingenuous CEO who whines about the mistakes under his watch instead of owning them fully.
     
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    JediPaxis has posted up images from a leaked merchandise guide he was given lots of good spoiler stuff.

     
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    [​IMG]

    "Nothing will stop the return of the Sith" and "bring back the Sith" is also on that style guide

    See also: "Return of the Sith" was rumored to be one of George Lucas's working titles for the story treatment sold to Disney (2013), the other one was "Rise of the Jedi":
    http://web.archive.org/web/20131014...clusive-working-titles-star-wars-episode-vii/, https://boards.theforce.net/posts/55915923/
    https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2014/09/new-star-wars-episode-7-leaks-plot-rumors.html
    https://www.slashfilm.com/rumor-potential-details-star-wars-7-villains/
    http://web.archive.org/web/20140817...sive-star-wars-episode-viis-villains-revealed
     
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    Imagine thinking they own the rights to the franchise and can do whatever they damn well please. I know, crazy right.
     
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    The only way this would be problematic is if there was some agreement that Disney made with Lucas that they'd adapt his material, specifically.

    As far as I know, no agreement exists.

    Therefore, no problem.
     
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    What is a style guide or merchandise guide?
     
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    The toy leaks and the plot leaks gives me a feeling of. Poe, Finn,Jannah, Chewie, Lando..hell everybody not named Rey or Kylo (and even he doesn't feel as important) are just window dressing along for Rey's ride. And I like Rey as a character. But as these leaks go at least...no details on anybody else's battles nobody is winning any of their confrontations but Rey. I'm very interested in the Possible Jannah/Finn stormtrooper child soldier rebellion subplot. And...squat about how the KOR (which I'm sure are more action less plot and dialogue) fit into the action and battle sequences. I hope these leaks are just missing all of that and its not missing from the movie.
     
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    The alien that Paxis thinks is 'Ochee' AKA the so-called 'Rey parents/Palpatine child murderer' has a Resistance symbol in the merchandise guide and says "May the Force be with you". (And there was no Rebellion or Resistance 15 years prior to SW:TROS.) It's possible Ochee or Ochi kills some other characters and takes off with Rey, but the people that he kills may be Rey's abductors, not her parents (yes I believe they're Leia and Han), like something has been lost in translation along the way in the game of telephone.

    Ridley said she wasn't around much for TLJ filming and was able to pursue her education during that time. She also said she was the last to wrap on IX and that

    Daisy Ridley: “It felt really, really sad [for me to conclude Star Wars]. Talk about exhausted with a two-month (60-day) shoot on ‘Ophelia,’ we shot for 100 and something days and I was in most of those days. I was shattered by the time we were finished. So in a way, I was like, ‘Oh, I just want to go to sleep,’ but I was so sad to finish [Star Wars]. I got to tell a great story and play a great character. And it did feel different this time. I felt more comfortable, and it wasn’t so: ‘Oh, I shouldn’t be here. What have you done? What have you done? You’ve got to find someone else who can actually do the job.’ It was nice to feel more of a steadiness in myself. There were days when I was like, ‘I can’t do it,’ but for the most part, I thought, ‘OK, this is right, I’m where I’m supposed to be.’ I just feel really lucky that I got to work with people that made me feel so good.” (July 2, 2019)

    Daisy Ridley:
    “[Recording for Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge] was really hard. We were shooting [Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker], and the only time we could do it was like on a shoot day or something. I was really tired. I think it must have been before Christmas. Like I worked a lot of days on that film. I was really tired and it was super technical. I could not for the life of me remember the lines. It was really stressful. But now I’m in a theme park.” (July 5, 2019)

    Her screen time in TLJ was reduced a lot from TFA, and it dropped from 32% of runtime with TFA down to 20% of runtime with TLJ. I expect it to be back up again around TFA's level possibly and maybe there's the off chance higher: https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet.com/index.php?posts/541455/
     
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    Probably images that will appear on clothing and such.
     
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    Jason at MSW touched on this... The reason this feels Rey heavy is because she's the central character of the story and that the most likely elements to leak. Jason said something alone the lines that what leakers are talking about so that's why it seems Rey heavy.

    You can think about this like Return of the Jedi. If someone tells you what happens in that film it was mostly be about Luke telling Leia they're siblings and what happens in the throne room. All the stuff with the Ewoks/Han/Leia wouldn't likely be explained.

    You shouldn't judge the overall story on the parts that leaked.
    Are the spoiler tags necessary? No one should be in this thread if they're trying to avoid spoilers. The Rey Palpatine thing seems set in stone, but I'm curious about her parents. Sidious appealing to his granddaughter doesn't seem to have much of a punch, but maybe how her parents died will play a factor at his attempts to manipulate her. I also really like Rey going back to the island and how Luke catches the lightsaber. That's an excellent call back to the beginning of TLJ.
     
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    I know I'll have to wait to see the movie before I can render a final decision, but after reading JediPraxis' story summary, everything culminates into a big 'meh'. I don't blame Lucas for taking a hike.
     
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    LOLz Lando never gets a dramatic reunion scene with his 'long lost daughter Jannah' in Act III. I guess Paxis forgot about that. But more likely it's wrong (and pointless). I think Rey will be a long lost child of legacy character(s), not Jannah.
     
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    How many times will it have to be stated that this isn't a complete picture of the film?
     
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    This basic fake leak lacks...

    Where and what R2 is doing.

    Doesn't even fit narratively into the whole saga. JJ said he would connect the whole saga. Palpatine is not the connection. In fact if people thought TLJ was different this supposed plot is radically a departure and so different it connects nothing.

    Nothing really about General Pryde

    Hux is a just a mole. So deep...

    Why is Lando in TROS? What’s he been up to? Why did the teaser trailer show him flying the falcon? Who knows. The leaks sure don’t.

    The leaks also don’t cover really anything about Poe other than him standing next to Rey and Finn, and having a vague, nondetailed history with Zorii.

    KoR? Vague

    How is Palpatine back? How do we know he won’t come back? Doesn’t mater! He’s here and that’s all the matters. The leaks don’t seem to know probably because that’s something that hasn’t been discussed or shown either in the footage, but let’s just trust that he just got better. Like Maul did.

    John Boyega personally thanked JJ when reading the script because JJ did something he had been waiting for. This is well known. But the leaks about Finn's what he does and what he's been waiting for? Ho hum they don't know.

    They don’t fit the style of the trilogy and they don’t even make sense given how TROS has been handled this far. I just can’t willfully think anything about these leaks beyond them being fake.
     
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    Obviously missing some content and context but my issues overall in no particular order.

    A lot of Rey and Kylo not enough everbody else

    Kylo's end (and I'm in the I want Kylo to die camp) Not satisfying and a disservice to his character as written.

    One story beat people are missing....if MACE died by a force lightning thrown into the abyss. Vader's grandson can die that way in a similar scene in the reverse scenario (Vader's grandson preventing Palps granddaughter from turning) Still needs to be done better than written though

    No mention of the reveal of Lando meeting his grown daughter?

    KOR are as much of a waste of a cool concept as Captain Phasma...possibly more. Are they just window dressing? Is the only action they have in the movie getting owned by Kylo?

    No moments from the best pilot in the galaxy against an unstoppable fleet of Star Destroyers?

    I know there is more...but I'd really like to hear about the action for the D Day type invasion suicide mission on Pryde's ship. It should at least be as visually satisfying as the ground fights in Rogue One....also..

    They've barely given Finn (or anybody else) anything to do in the film but follow Rey around, run away, get captured, escape or get rescued by Rey, rinse and repeat....

    Lot of poor explaining plot holey stuff the movie contunuity of this ST is shaky but I doubt its getting fixed.
     
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    No meaningful Anakin role? That sucks.

    I'm fine with Ben dying though. He did put out the order to kill those villagers at the start of TFA, killed his own father and obviously helped billions to die from Starkiller Base. For me, he is pretty much irredeemable.. seeing as we've never seen any goodness from him (outside of killing Snoke)

    I hope a few lines of dialogue harken back to the prequels, otherwise it will feel disjointed from the rest of saga. Also, Obi Wan and Yoda must appear and speak.
     
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    Whether it ends up being either wrong or correct I have to give you props to sticking with your theory on Rey’s parents and taking it all the way to the end
     
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    Not a single thing about Darth Vader or Anakin in Paxis stuff besides the so-called wayfinder.

    The leaked footage out of D23 and the earlier shareholders conference from March shows Kylo in a white room with the Vader mask, for example.
     
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    I'll reply again like I said before. These leaks are Rey heavy because that's what the leakers are leaking.

    Some of y'all are simply ignoring the context of these leaks.

    JediPaxis: This isn't the complete film.
    People: This has holes in it.
    JediPaxis: This isn't the complete film
    People: What about Poe and Finn
    JediPaxis: This isn't the complete film
    People: What about Darth Vader
    JediPaxis: This isn't the complete film.

    This film doesn't have to have Anakin or Obi-Wan to tie all 9 films together. Palpatine satisfies that link to the past.
     
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