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The Basic Plot of The Rise of Skywalker, Updated and Expanded: Act I (Via JediPaxis)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Himmel, Sep 17, 2019.

  1. Himmel

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    The bottom line: We shouldn't.

    I suppose that's where it gets complicated.
    I think there are a few misconceptions around leaks and rumours like this. I get the impression some people view it as if it was a big jar of facts that Disney and LucasFilm are guarding on one side, and this little band of people who have devoted their lives to stealing from the jar on the other.
    It simply isn't like that.
    You've just got to imagine the sheer scale of a movie production, and how many people on the periphery of that operation get to see and hear things relating to the movie. Whether they choose to share that stuff or not determines whether they are involved in this whole spoiler business or not.
    You don't have to have "form", if your work or day-to-day life somehow brings you close to one of these productions - or all of the related merchandising and marketing - then that's all it takes. Each new movie is a new production - leaks could come from anyone.

    Reddit has been the home of attention-seeking, made-up spoiler dumps for so long. That changed with the last movie - the /StarWarsLeaks sub managed to string together a reasonable outline of The Last Jedi, so far as I recall, when none of the usual spoiler sites managed to uncover anything substantial.

    I couldn't confirm how involved Jedi Paxis was in all of that off the top of my head, but - for example - he was the first to share the character reference photos and concept art that leaked at the start of this year - the images have since been confirmed as legit by official images and trailers.

    My advice would be to ignore some of the language used and take it for what it is - just someone's interpretation of what they know about parts of the production of the movie. No-one ever gets the whole script handed to them on a plate. There is a dash of ego involved, and the people running these spoiler sites and blogs like to give off the impression they know more than they do. It's just how it is these days, I'm afraid - they are fighting for clicks and kudos. All they are ever doing is trying to piece things together from various sources - artwork, on-set descriptions, call sheets etc - there is always some extrapolation and misunderstanding along the way.

    I'd say JP clearly appears to have access to "something". MSW had access to TFA artwork and call sheets, and everything they have leaked on TROS seems to more or less line up with JP. I guess the fact that MSW aren't calling out JP as fake - rather corroborating some of the info - speaks volumes.
    Does that make his breakdown of the plot 100% accurate? I doubt it.
    Are there gaps? Of course.
     
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    I'm finding the level of detail in the Praxis leaks for a film that's under as much security as Star Wars to be dubious at best.

    That said, to my mind, much of it could easily be deliberate misinformation. Regarding the BIG LEAKS... do recall that while filming ESB, on set Prowse said "Obi Wan was your father." Hamill knew, but on set very few were privy to the actual story. That was 40 years ago. There is a LOT that could be going into digital manipulation, reshoots or in the editing booth to alter what people thought they saw/heard/read. Do bear in mind the lengths Marvel went to obfuscating Endgame, and that the lessons learned won't just be as strictly enforced with Star Wars, but likely doubled.

    Because honestly, the leaks I've read are largely supremely disappointing.
     
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    I dunno about this leak... I mean for a whole film to be leaked the way it has it has surprised me. It makes me think that half of what is being said in those leaks is going to happen and there will be a massive surprise that will throw everyone off.

    The announcement of Palpatine ( which could have easily been a big surprise) smells of a way to get everyone talking about his return than the actual surprise that will be revealed. This is the LAST movie of the 9 part trilogy and there is no way that this much of it has been 100% leaked.

    What could the surprise be? I think Anakin for one and the actual ending for Kylo will be a surprise too. There were some re-shoots lately and those could easily be used to create some alternative scenes to throw people off.
     
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    Any reason for Ben getting sent away to Luke in the first place and Luke smelling the dark side farts in training is not articulated by JediPaxis at all and I think that's a significant part of the plot missing. His portion of the backstory is missing. And as much as I dislike the character or how he's played, I doubt that's all there is to his story in the Paxis stuff.

    Even Leia in that new homework book is saying to Rey,

     
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    A few things...
    In one of the description of DO’s toy, it’s specifically said that he works on shop.

    More importantly... we know from the trailer that a speeders chase good guys vs FO takes place on Pasaana.

    And we see the good guys crew still together at that point. Chewie is there too.

    So the FO cannot arrive only when the good guys are down in Ochie’s tomb etc...

    Finally... if Sidius needs Rey, why to try to kill her years before?
    Of course it’d make more sense if the killer was a “good guy” who changed his heart.
    Still.... the dagger is a Sith dagger.
    And that tells me... that if the blade was meant to kill her, that is because she’s “related” to the light side of the force
     
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    So, thanks to a recent poster update, we now know Maz is in the movie, but there is no mention of her in the plot leak.

    I'm starting to believe JP only knows 50% of the actually story at a max.
     
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    I want to hear JJ Talk to us all once we are in the cinema watching TROS

    "It was I who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the Shield Generator"
     
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    If I was JJ, I would totally employ someone to leak fake plot ‘spoilers’.
     
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    Given the nature of secrecy they're willing to go towards, I wouldn't be surprised. That being said, TFA did get leaked at least parts of it, but a lot of it was wrong.
     
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    Hiring people to deliberately lie to the audience? No, I do not think that is a very smart use of your time, power, and money. All that would do was creating additional plot scenarios for fans to fall in love with and be disappointed about not getting. I don't think SW needs the creators to actively go out and cause animosity i the fan base...
     
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    90% of TFA's plot was leaked and correct.
     
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    "Animosity" is a bit of a stretch... if you get that bendt out of shape over leaked spoilers then that's on you. Not the creators. Also, Google "Lucasfilm secrecy" it can get pretty intense. So, to that end while they may not hire specific people... they could leak misinformation. All a leaker wants is attention anyways. Regardless if it's good or bad.
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    But not the details; especially that first leak. I don't know about later in the year leaks.
     
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    Some info from Jason Ward..

     
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    How long is this movie going be? I just find it strange that no one is leaking Mando stuff. I'm talking about plot and what not, not merch.
     
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    Hopefully 3hrs. This needs to go out in style. ;)
     
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    MSW starts to contradict itself. If you leak stuff, you should be more consistent to your previous leaks. On the one hand it seems like MSW tries to be more in line with JP's leak, on the other hand they give us a different version as JP. It's confusing. My conclusion: no one knows what's actually going on.

    I prefer a shorter and well paced movie. I don't want antoher Endgame :p
     
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    I clearly remember that when I saw the movie, I absolutely knew everything that happened.

    I then, decided to don't read the spoils for TLJ and I wish I had.
     
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    I really don't understand what people actually expect from leaks.

    Your starting point is that you know NOTHING about this movie.
    During the production of The Force Awakens, numerous concept artworks and production stills/reference photos were seen and photographed. They were known to guys at Indie Revolver, MillenniumFalcon.com, this site and Jason Ward. Several people posting here had seen these images along with an outline of the entire story, via the coded call sheets, and confirmed that they were legit when other people refused to believe.

    Now, I can't say who had what specifically, how many different sources their were originally, and who shared what with whom and when, but it's kind of irrelevant - Indie Revolver set the ball rolling by posting some of the artwork and stills in August 2014.
    Ward rebranded his Tumblr blog, which had previously been a run-of-the-mill Star Wars picture feed, into MakingStarWars and eventually set up his own site sharing his descriptions and interpretations of the images in a drip feed.
    MF.com, as was their style, just dumped a whole bunch of the concept artwork on their site's front page in one go shortly afterwards.
    MSW continued to play it safe and share descriptions of concepts, occasionally posting hand-drawn recreations of the images.

    Not sure how many sites worked together on trying to decode the call sheets, but MSW seemed to be leading the way in posting descriptions of scenes and trying to piece together a narrative.
    Until MF.com nipped the drip feed approach in the bud and dumped the whole transcript of the call sheets shortly before the film was released.
    In a nutshell, from that starting point of knowing nothing, between the start of shooting in May 2014 and the end of that year, we knew what the new troopers looked like, we'd seen the First Order hangar and the new TIEs, we'd seen Phasma, we knew there was a "Jedi Killer" character who owned Darth Vader's broken helmet, we'd seen Han's new costume, Maz designs, the Quad Jumper, Luggabeasts, Rey's home and speeder, the Falcon, the Resistance Base, Niima Outpost - all way before anything official was released and all thanks to these guys sharing stuff online.

    And that, of course, is ignoring all the other independent leaks during that period - a drone flying over the Resistance Base location shoot capturing footage and stills, some guys breaking on to the Falcon set at night and bagging a load of photos, extras sharing photos from the Jakku location shoot, more leaked photos of the Falcon interior and First Order corridors...

    If you are expecting someone to relate to you the entire movie from start to finish - exactly as it appears onscreen - then you are always going to be very disappointed.
    And sure, it goes without saying, a lot of the stuff we saw was of concepts that were eventually dropped and story ideas which never made it to the final cut.
    But look at Constable Zuvio - even official sources made kind of a big deal about him, we were even given some dialogue of his... did anyone criticise LucasFilm themselves and Vanity Fair and say they were "bogus sources" posting "fake leaks"?
    Obviously not. Films change, and a lot happens during the translation from concept art and shooting script to finished product. That doesn't make the material leaked any less authentic at the time it leaks.

    So unless MSW literally has zilch this time around and Ward has decided to turn into uber troll, then you have to accept that he had The Force Awakens pretty much nailed, and if he is vouching for Jedi Paxis this time around, then I'd say it is as good a verification as any.
    Just remember - they are only ever going to be interpreting concept artwork, descriptions of what was shot on set and other scraps of into. They aren't sat on a copy of the script, and I don't think they are really claiming that is the case.

    Like I said, JP's act breakdown may well be a load of guesswork bridging the gaps in the MSW posts, but he seems to have been first to share some genuine TROS images, and MSW is backing him - you can't really ignore those facts IMHO...
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    Plus, as has been pointed out numerous times already - The TPM plot leaked. The AOTC plot leaked. The ROTS plot leaked. The TFA plot leaked. A fair portion of the TLJ plot leaked. That is the norm, it is to be expected an outline of the story will leak somehow.
    Heck, back in the OT days you could read the novelisation of each of those movies and be completely spoiled before they hit theatres simply because they were released first. Lest we forget, David Prowse even (inadvertently) revealed Vader was Luke's father as early as 1978 in the press, but how many people caught on to that particular report on a Berkeley promotional event and understood its significance back then...?
    The closest they have come to misleading fans in 40-plus years and 11 movies is inventing a bogus production, Blue Harvest, as a cover for the ROTJ location shooting (which didn't work, a group of fans still discovered the Sail Barge set) and using code names during the production of TFA (which also didn't work).
     
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    I think the basic story beats are likely correct. It is the finer details that there is inconsistency. This is because JJ makes changes as he goes and likely is still tweaking things
     
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