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The Big 3- Rebel Soldiers, or Freelancers?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by cawatrooper, Jul 12, 2018.

  1. cawatrooper

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    One thing that I've always found really interesting about Star Wars is how the "Big Three" so rarely ever seem to work directly in tandem with the Alliance as a whole.

    To demonstrate this, consider this timeline, in which I'll underline where I believe a character is actually working directly with the Alliance to some degree:

    Pre- A New Hope

    During this time, only Leia has any direct connection to the Alliance

    Leia: Alderaanean Senator, secret Rebel amabassador

    Luke: Farmboy

    Han: Smuggler



    Tantive IV to Yavin

    Again, only Leia has any direct connection to the Alliance here (and even then, since she's jailed, that's debatable). Han and Luke may be working in the Rebels' best interests, but not as part of the group.

    Leia: Imprisoned, eventually rescued

    Luke: Going to rescue Leia, no direct connection to the Rebel Alliance

    Han: Hired by Luke to go to Alderaan, mixed up in Death Star kerfuffle




    Battle of Yavin to Battle of Hoth (including media outside of movies)

    Probably the longest streak of each of the Big Three actually working in tandem with the Rebels. In the comics there are a few a few more personal missions they go on that I'd consider outside the purview of the Rebels, but for the most part they're a little more reigned in.

    Leia: Unclear what her position is, or if she officially holds one, but presumably a part of high command

    Luke: Rises to rank of Commander by the time the Empire attacks Hoth.

    Han: Works with Rebels, though still planning on eventually leaving.




    Post Hoth through end of TESB

    Here, I'd argue no one is really working in tandem with the Rebels at all.

    Leia and Han: Escaping Hoth aftermath, basically just trying to survive

    Luke: Basically abandons Rebellion to train on Dagobah, saves his friends on Bespin




    Post TESB through Han's Rescue

    We have little canon media detailing this as far as I know, so I'll focus on the rescue at Jabba's palace.

    Han: Captured for the duration of this period.

    Luke and Leia: While we see them with the Rebel fleet in the end of TESB, as far as I know we have no reason to believe that Han's rescue was an Alliance-sanctioned mission. We see what amounts to basically only key players there, and it would've been foolish to have sent several high ranking commanders alone to here. I get that an attack on the Hutts would be a very risky thing for the Alliance to officially support, but... well Leia "Face of the Rebellion" Organa was there herself, so there's no reason not to send some extra troopers and X-Wings just in case too. So, seems more like a personal mission, to me.




    Battle of Endor



    This one gets kinda complicated.

    Han and Leia: Lead a strike force, apparently, though we rarely see any of them during the actual battle. Definitely should still be counted, though.


    Luke: Part of the strike force early on, but since he almost immediately abandons it for the personal mission of trying to save his father, I won't count it.




    Post Endor

    Again, kinda complicated, given this is a rather long period of time


    Han and Leia: Leia seems far more like a diplomat at this point for the New Republic, and Han seems far more interested in personal missions (particularly, finding Chewie). Again, at the very least their interests generally don't conflict with the Rebellion, but I wouldn't say they're running missions for it.

    Luke: His loyalty is to the Force, and to rebuilding the Jedi now, as far as I can tell.



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    So pretty interesting stuff. Definitely seems like that sweet spot between ANH and TESB is where the Big 3 actually really worked closely with the Rebellion, and even then it's not like we commonly see them fighting alongside troopers much (granted, I have some catching up to do, still).

    In a way this is good I guess- these personal stories keep the series fresh, and prevent it from becoming just a string of endless battles. Still, I do hope that some form of media (hopefully including the comics) does show these characters in a more "boots on the ground" battle scenario.
     
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    one of the interesting things about Lost Stars and the Aftermath trilogy (to me), is that they are more "boots on the ground".
    they remind us that there's a whole war going on and blowing up Death Stars is only part of it.

    so yeah, i'd like to see more too perhaps, though i'm definitely more interested in post RoTJ clean-up than backing into the OT era again.
    i guess this is why the Resistance cartoon is exciting to me.

    i think Luke and Han's journeys were always going to be more personal.
    it was Leia who lived and breathed the Republic.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I love Luke and the Jedi and everything to do with the force, but I have really become much more interested in the parts of Star Wars related to regular combat and dogfights. Resistance also really excites me because even though I enjoyed Rebels it still had a focus on the force and the master and apprentice dynamic whereas Resistance will hopefully just show the combat aspects and the rag tag nature of the resistance against the well oiled machine of the first order.
     
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    Very true, and I think even according to my timeline it's pretty clear that Leia was far more involved with the Alliance than either Han or Luke. With one being a Jedi and the other a smuggler, that's no wonder, though I appreciate how an ascension to not only family but also leadership is a big part of Han's arc.

    I do think that one of the reasons Hoth is so popular, though, is because it does show Han/Leia/Luke on that side of the war, even if none of them are technically "boots on the ground" (it would've been interesting if Han or Chewie took a page from Dash's playbook and helped defend Echo Base a little more, or if Leia was a little more directly in the combat).


    Agreed. I love Star Wars, but I think the series has become a bit too synonymous with The Force. To quote TLJ: "It's so much bigger".

    One of my favorite pieces of Star Wars media of all time is the very first Battlefront game. You couldn't even play as a Jedi in that game, but given the sheer amount of freedom in where you go, what you do, and how you do it, it still feels like a far more complex experience than what we've gotten lately, even though now we can be Jedi and stuff.
     
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    This is why I think Rogue One is my favorite of the new films. Very limited mention of the force, heavy on the boots on the ground aspect, and you still get plenty of references to the OT without relying on the big 3. My hope is we eventually get some type of live action TV show that really focuses on either the rise of the FO, the rise of the resistance, or even fill in some of the details surrounding the rebellion because I think there are tons of good stories to be told for all of those scenarios and wouldn't interfere with things like Luke trying to build a new jedi order.
     
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    absolutely, me too! and, frankly, i want to see the rag-tag nature of the FO; they're all pomp and show.
    underneath all that gloss you know it's a hot mess of disorder. XD

    but i agree with you as far as the appeal with Rogue One: i love the small subtle Force bits with Chirrut, but frankly that's enough for me.
    i can watch whole stories like Solo and not miss the Force at all. : D
     
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    Yes, Solo was very much the same way.

    To be honest, I would watch a whole movie about the battles on Mimban.

    Heck, I'd watch a twelve part Ken Burns doc on the Mimban campaign.
     
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    yes please! though i am kind of Empire'd out at the moment. i'd rather watch the FO go destroy something.
    other than that one small siege on Jakku and then again on Crait, we haven't seen them do any large-scale ground damage.
    i really hope ix gives us a real war.

    but i certainly wouldn't object to more Battlefront/Inferno Squad-type war stories overall, whether they are OT-era or ST-era or somewhere in between.
     
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    Definitely!

    That's why, as relatively weak as the second part of Battlefront's campaign was, I really enjoyed seeing the First Order actually in their element. Seems like they're a lot bigger than what we see in the movies (again, further evidence of the weird scope issues in TLJ).

    I like the adaptations of old Empire stuff like the Gorilla walkers and new Stormtroopers, but I also appreciate the new things, like the Death Star laser canon thing. I'd love to see some weird new First Order tech in the future.


    That being said, I feel like we really are in an age where Star Wars could take advantage of modern tech and show us some truly breathtaking ground battles. I do wonder if part of the reason the Big 3 were so often on more intimate missions is because it was just a lot easier to do so with the tech at the time. Then of course, the prequels came out during the beginnings of CGI, and though some of the prequel effects suffered, many of the battle scenes were actually pretty incredible. This shot in particular has stuck with me since I was like 11.

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    But now? Oh man, I can only imagine how incredible a large scale encounter could look. We kinda got one with Rogue One, and I have no doubt that JJ could double down on that in IX.
     
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    For all the hate AotC gets, we really did get some amazing CGI and combat form that film. Would be super cool if they ever went back and did some live action Clone Wars battles since CGI is much better now.
     
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    i haven't kept up! i should go check this out. i didn't like some of the story stuff Battlefront did with Inferno Squad, so that kinda turned me off, but i should revisit ~ especially with the long wait for anything new and exciting to play with. : D
     
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    I mean, it's definitely not huge, but literally anything can pretty much double the amount of content we have for the First Order at this point anyway :p
     
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    i'd take anything at this point ~ but i do want it to be good.
    the Phasma novel was such a crushing disappointment.
    such a pile of incomprehensible weirdness i don't even know how to fit it into the picture. XD
     
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    I love this topic and have thought about it too much. Something I've wondered about, which was never yet explained, was how Luke talked the Alliance into giving him another X-Wing after leaving his first one on Bespin. I understand he had risen to the rank of Commander by this point, but with the Rebel fleet so limited with fighters, its hard to see them giving him another one while he devotes a year to Jedi training and rescuing Han. Perhaps Leia helped convince the leadership to give Luke a new one.
     
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    I've thought about this as well. I think it's a testament to the actors' chemistry on-screen and the stellar storytelling that we're so invested in the OT story even though, if you think about it, was told on a small scale. While we're acutely aware of the larger war taking place, we're shown it through the the lens of the Big 3. It makes it somehow more relatable. Great topic/thread, BTW.
     
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