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SPECULATION The Big Questions

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by TheGreyandTheRed, Dec 21, 2017.

  1. TheGreyandTheRed

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    First off this is not a thread to bash or glorify the film please stay objective. If you wish to discuss what you thought of the film or any part there of please do so in one of the designated threads. I don't want yet another thread filled with peoples grievances.

    So the idea behind this thread is to try and answer/discuss the big questions that TLJ asks. I myself have quite a few. If you have any of your own please feel free to add them :)

    • Are Luke, Yoda and Obi Wan actually dead or does becoming 'One with the force' mean something different entirely? Yoda is the first force ghost we have seen since ROTJ and he clearly demonstrates he can physically interact with the world around him almost as though he were still alive. Not your typical ghost. This has to play a bigger part going forward or why bother make such a point of showing that?
    • Snokes 'True enemy' speech. Was it all bluster or did he truly not know Kylo was about to kill him?
    • The Knights of Ren? (r2-d2)
    • How likely is a time jump to EPIX
    • Will the newly introduced Jedi lore become significant ie prime Jedi, journal of the whills, sacred Jedi texts etc
    • The origin of Rey's power (not her parents, let's say for the sake of argument Rey is a nobody as the film tells us)
    • The end of the film kind of hints at Leia possibly taking Luke's role as a mentor for Rey. Which I think if Carrie were still with us would be the case, obviously now that's not possible. Do you think anyone else could take that role?
    • What will become of DJ?
    • The Rey and Finn reunion, implications? The scene in the falcon made sure Rey saw that Finn cares for Rose. Possible jealousy?
    • The force bond
    • Implications of the final scene.
    Like I said, these are just my questions, feel free to add your own.
     
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  2. Finn is a Jedi

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    Obi Wan's ghost sat down on a fallen tree on Dagobah and Yoda was sitting at the end of RotJ so while what Yoda did in TLJ was way more intense we have already seen the ghosts interact with the physical world.

    I assume the Knight of Ren are the other students Luke mentioned went with Kylo. I sincerely hope we see Kylo form his own "Sith" and the Knights are his first apprentices.

    I genuinely cannot see how they could Ep.IX without a time jump, it is simply impossible.

    Maz could feasibly take on the spiritual mentor role but not necessarily taking over Leia's entire role. I think they'll have force ghost Luke.

    Finn is just a good guy and while Rose kissed him he didn't seem to reciprocate. I could see them just having Finn respect Rose but not necessarily be involved with her. Also Rey might stay away form attachments like the Jedi and on the chance they make Finn force sensitive he might as well. Unless they have the new Jedi be allowed to procreate.
     
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    I think he really sensed Kylo’s intent to kill his enemy just as he sensed Kylo turning the lightsaber. Just wrong enemy and wrong saber. Kylo masked it beautifully.
     
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    Interesting points. Yeah I know they were sat down however that's a lot more subtle than setting a tree on fire or bopping someone on the head with a stick ;)

    I think they are changing/expanding what a force ghost is capable of.
     
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    Luke Yoda and Obi are in like a grey area between life and death. Yoda says that the force surrounds us, binds us, life creates it. If life creates the force, and they are one with the force then they can't be dead.
    Snoke definitely knew. There is no way he can have as much power as he does and be caught off guard by something right beside him. I'm sure he did it to bring Kylo further into the dark side.
    I don't believe Rey came from nowhere. Kylo must have used it as a way to forget her past and join the dark side.
    Leia possibly would have continuedthe training, but they said theynot doing any cgi or animation to recreate Leia.
    I honestly don't care what happens to DJ
    I don't think Rey and Finn have a romance anymore. Finn obviously loves Rose, and Rey caught Poe's eye, so yeah.
    The force bond was said to be Snoke's doing, but I'm open to theories.
    I have no clue as to why that last scene was there. Maybe it was just lazy writing, something they though would work, or symbolic of Rey not actually having a force sensitive heritage.
     
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    Love this interpretation.
     
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    The force ghost rules will probably change depending on how it will "serve the plot" just like Luke's personality..

    I don't think Snoke did it on purpose.. I mean look at the look on his face when he gets severed :p

    I'm not holding out for anything regarding Knights of Ren, probably too much of a pain to force them in.. we might get a flashback to why they died though.

    I can see there being a time jump to EP IX, but not as long as previous films.. maybe a few months. The rebellion needs to build up numbers again.

    Being totally honest, if there's some twist where they made Rey a failed Luke clone with a super high midichlorian count.. that would patch things up.

    I think DJ's return to Star Wars, is probably 100% down to J.J. and Dave Filoni. I don't think he'll be in IX, he wasn't important enough.
     
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    I think that Yoda is able to minimally effect things from death. Qui-Gon could only appear audibly. Ben could be seen. Luke's cross galaxy venture killed him. So its possible that Yoda can cross the gap but only momentarily.
     
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    Guess we will have to wait and see. However I think they will play a much bigger part in IX.
     
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    Becoming one with the Force for the Jedi who passed the trials (or were assisted, like Anakin) means they get to keep their individuality within the Force. Yoda was not actually the first Jedi who could manifest himself physically in the new canon - it's Qui-Gon, who after death first had to learn how to show himself as a ghost and not just voice, and later to become corporeal (Certain Point of View anthology). I am hoping that means Luke would do that too in IX .

    Yup. I agree with this 100%.

    I am hoping that KOR are actually students taken from Luke's temple. If that's the case, we should see them in IX.

    Time jump is, I think, almost inevitable. Takes time for the spark to become a fire and there were so few of them left at the end of TLJ.

    I'm not sure about the lore. While Rey has the books, she might not use them as they were used in the past. She might take lightsaber schematics from them, but I do not think she would follow them blindly. So, I don't know how or even if they would be important in the movie.

    I thought Snoke explained Rey's power. Dark rises and the Light to meet it. Dark is creating the imbalance, the Force awakes in Rey. The source is Force. ;) Now, could the Force chose some other Force sensitive person? Because Rey is certainly not the only one in the galaxy. Maybe, but maybe the Force chose the person with the right set of skills, skills life on Jaku provided for Rey. Or just her pure heart. Who knows how the Force really works? And that's the point.

    Leia would have definitely been Rey's mentor if Carrie lived - Han in TFA, Luke in TLJ, Leia in IX. But, now, if they give her a mentor, it would have to be Ghost Luke. He certainly found peace and purpose by the end of TLJ.

    I don't know about DJ. He might be one and done or he could reappear and have another encounter with Finn.

    I don't want jealousy, it's such a tired trope. I want Rose and Rey to be friends. Finn, Rey, Poe, Rose - the family you choose, not the one you were born into. But, we'll see.

    I think Snoke initiated the bond, but the final scene suggests that it's still there, only Rey shut it down on her end. We will see if she opens it again.

    I think the scene's purpose was two-fold. To show that Luke Skywalker became even bigger legend than before and that hope is alive and well - new Force users are born in the galaxy and they (and others) will fight for freedom.
     
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    1. I think being a force ghost is a progression of sorts as Qui Gon only projected his voice and then Yoda and Obi Wan learned form there. Maybe becoming one with the force constitutes self sacrificing in a way.

    And according this https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....ucas-legacy-influence-on-the-last-jedi.53627/ it maybe give an even bigger insight into what Rian was thinking about when he came to that conclusion.

    2. I'm gonna have to say that Snoke did not know. He was only seeing what Kylo was showing him. He was as shocked as we were.

    3. I believe the KOR will come back into play in IX. Kylo will need some back up now that he is in charge and what better way to bring them back. He is the master of the KOR after all.

    4. Probably highly likely it will jump ahead. If JJ doesn't there will be too much exposition and things to explain. JJ likes to get into things quick, but hopefully not as fast as in TFA.

    5. I think maybe some of the lore will be introduced and maybe the journal of the whills, but as Yoda said she already knows. Did she speed read before she took them?

    6. It would be nice to kind of understand more about her power. I will say, yes JJ will answer that. We know where Kylo's power comes from.

    7. I'm not sure how that will be remedied. Maybe someone else, but I think now Luke has to do it or Obi Wan?

    8. I was never sure if DJ was dead or alive. If he's alive then maybe he's the next person Finn kills.

    9. Rey might be jealous, but I think her focus will be in training.

    10. Not sure

    11. As in the broom kid? Well it implies what Luke told Kylo that he would not be the last jedi. It also implies innocence, a new hope, etc
     
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    I think that Snoke is being honest here. He thought that he was drawing out Luke to rise to meet Ben and thus he could fully destroy the Jedi. But he was amused that instead that Rey was the light rising to meet him. Ren's true enemey. All Snoke had left was to pick the better apprentice.

    Luke spoke of 12 students at the Jedi temple when Ben destroyed the temple he killed some and others left with him. No doubt those that left were the KOR or the start of them.

    I think there really needs to be. I mean if there is no time Jump then Luke's buying them time was just a few seconds until Star Destroyers go after the Falcon. I suspect that a number of allies from the outer rim will finally have shown up and that the Resistance will still be fighting Ben's Empire. Further I think you will see a jump to show what Rey did with the books and how it is progressing. Like perhaps a young boy from Canto Bight is her padawan.

    I think that Rey will have studied them and be trying to master them. Perhaps one might serve as a guide to find something to help them in the fight.

    She's a figure of Rebirth.

    Its possible though I think it is likely the books, Maz, and Force Ghosts at will all offer some advice but Yoda seems pretty clear that Luke's "trying to control it" was an issue. He needed to trust Rey despite his fear. After all "She has all she needs. " Namely the stolen books.

    If he made it out he might be a distraction. Like dealing with Jabba before moving to fighting the Empire. He might be needed again and his trust worthiness will be put to the test.

    I think they are happy to be reunited. I wonder if the message she wanted Chewy to tell him was "I Love Yout." But now she sees him with Rose and assumes its something and doesn't act on her feelings.

    Snoke discovered it and supercharged it. He says that he through his powers augmented the connection. Now that he is out of the picture its an issue of as they grow stronger they might seek to re-establish it. Or use it some how. But without Snoke to boost the signal so to speak they will have to grow in ability.

    The Jedi are restarting. Luke looked out at the twin suns. Broom boy looked out at the stars. The cycle begins again.
     
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    Buckle up kids, because I'm about to take you all on a *wild* ride!

    • Once you've fully accepted the Cosmic Force, as much as the Living Force (and some training), you have the ability to become one with the Force itself upon your passing. You're neither dead nor truly alive. You just... are. (Explained in great length in Legends, but the concept of the Cosmic Force was made canon and explained briefly by Qui Gon Jinn himself, in TCW S6E11 "Voices")
    • Snoke didn't see it coming, because Kylo's feelings were true, it just wasn't made apparent that Snoke was Kylo's "true enemy" so he assumed it was Rey.
    • We saw the Knight of Ren in what we thought was Rey's flashback in TFA, but it's actually a vision of the future, as the lightsaber being used is Kylo's red lightsaber, and the people he is cutting into are dressed as such, from concept art. We'll likely see them in Episode IX
    • Time jump seems very likely, if even only a few months
    • The new lore will likely play a role in how the New Jedi Order will be formed.
    • Rey's powers were explained (sadly) by Snoke's line about Darkness being met by the Light (balance of power). She is a nobody that made herself a somebody, like many Jedi and even Sith before her.
    • Rey will become self-taught, using the books as a basis, maybe with some mentoring from Force Ghost Luke, Yoda even?
    • DJ will appear again in Episode IX, Finn/Rose likely make him answer for his actions, possibly even forcing him to help with a situation.
    • Don't think there is jealousy, just surprise. May make her feel a little more alone, but she has a new family with the Resistance.
    • Force bond will remain, and continue to mess with both Rey and Kylo, maybe even draw them closer together. (This happened with Bastila and Revan in Knights Of The Old Republic - So Rylo fans rejoice, maybe?)
    • Broom boy means that an awakening of the Force has truly occurred. The galaxy will be seeing more Force users.
     
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