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The brilliance of ROTJ

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Pernicious-Jawa, Dec 16, 2021.

  1. Pernicious-Jawa

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    Hi folks,

    I know similar sentiments would have been shared, I just wanted to create a thread that really celebrates the brilliance of ROTJ. I know Empire gets the critical plaudits, ANH opened our eyes to this magical world - but I truly feel ROTJ is the perfect ending to the trilogy. It's my favourite of the OT, making it my favourite Star Wars film of all.


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    I think the last half an hour is prime Star Wars. It's so fluid, climactic and provides such a satisfying resolution. Anakin Skywalker finds his redemption, Luke is vindicated in the belief he has in the good of people and his father, plus, the tyranny of the Empire is finally at an end. The contrast of the space, land and throne room conflict is exhilarating. The special effects team went into absolute overdrive to make a second Death Star battle engaging, with the stakes just as high.

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    In spite of these huge set pieces, it still also provides the most intimate moments in Star Wars. Yoda's death, Han's outpouring to Leia 'You love him...don't you', Luke and Vader on the walkway 'It is...too late for me, son'. Vader is already clearly humanised before he even takes off the mask. He appears more as a slave and an object as opposed to the big bad that he was at the start of the trilogy. His master is also another highlight of the film. He is so malevolent, so manipulative - the evil he harbours inside him seems to be rotting him from the inside out. McDiarmid really stepped up to the plate here, to appear more evil than Darth Vader is no small feat.

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    His machinations set up one of the most thrilling duels in Star Wars, as well as Luke and Anakin's most heroic moments. The son absolves the Father's sins, his love reminding him of who he was...who he is. 'You've failed your highness...I am a Jedi, like my father before me'. Luke chooses to love his Father rather than succumb to hatred, meaning certain death. His defiance, bravery and faith in the face of this evil finally awakens the good in his father. A good that has been dormant for so long. With that, the Jedi Anakin Skywalker returns. The Jedi Luke Skywalker proves that he is one with the force. The Jedi themselves now have the opportunity to once again join the galaxy, with a new perspective.

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    Amazing. Life affirming.
     
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    The throne room scene is for me the best dialogues written in the OT. ANH is my favorite of the OT; however, everything you outlined is why ROTJ is on the top of my list.
     
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    Anyone else love Leia in this film? Yeah, me too.
     
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    How could I forget! Her interactions with Wicket showed the diplomat in action. Rescuing the one she loved too.
     
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    Part of what makes ROTJ so great is not just the incredible ending, but the fact that it is earned. We saw all the sacrifices, decisions, and failures that led up to this point, and now it all comes together for an amazing redemption.

    Sometimes stories just end with "everybody just gets everything they wanted," and while fans aren't going to complain about that, it isn't particularly memorable either - you're left with a sense of, "If it was that easy, then why did it take this long?" (Cough... last episode of Friends... cough) Triumph without any real cost is just "okay." But in Star Wars, you have seen all the challenges and sacrifices throughout the saga, and in ROTJ you reap the reward that all six movies were building toward.
     
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    Return of the Jedi is a great star wars film. It has a special place in my life. When I was a kid, my mother and myself we're waiting in line to see E.T.. We saw an ad poster for ROTJ. The one with Luke's hands holding his lightsaber. My mother was like "ohhh boyyy". The magic.
    My favorite lines from ROTJ.........

    Luke Skywalker: I will not fight you.
    Darth Vader: Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can save your friends. Yes, your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for... [pauses] Sister! So, you have a twin sister. Your feelings have now betrayed her too. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the Dark Side, then perhaps she will!

    Star wars at it's best.
     
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    Maybe a better title would be ‘The brilliance of ROTJ’s third act’? :D
     
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    :eek:(pwned)Imagine a world where Lucas cuts to the credits as soon as Luke shouts "NEVER!"....(pwned):confused:


    (epic fail)
     
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    The movie doesn't really start until Luke is "captured" on Endor and he and Vader meet again. Yet it's still in the top tier of SW films.
     
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    That's very true, the prequels enhance that pay-off in every way. The undoing of the plans and machinations of a tyrant, a good man finally finding himself again.

    If the entire film maintained the heights of that final act, I think it would blow everything else out of the water. Thing is, I know it stalls the plot - but I do really love the opening gambit too. I wonder what could have been done differently!
     
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    They could have condensed the whole rescue into a teaser or a sort of pre titles sequence. No more than 12-15 minutes. It would have left more time to set up the possibility that Luke might, conceivably turn to the dark side (we're sometimes told that ROTJ indicates this with the black costume and all but I've never fully bought that) and provide more credibility to the Ewok alliance. The movie is lacking in any identifiable Imperial characters on Endor itself. The Empire on Endor is virtually anonymous in the movie and there is no focus to their threat to the rebels. Another officer, maybe a rival to Jerjerrod or Piett, should have been sent down, against his personal ambitions, to oversee the ambush of the rebels. Shown to resent being removed from the real battle, and from sharing the glory, he would arrogantly dismiss the danger posed by the natives but he would then witness his command of the battle undermined by them, allowing the rebels to fulfill their mission. The Emperor's overconfidence and preoccupation with turning Luke making him unable to prevent the backstabbing among in his officers from compromising the defence of the shield generator and the death star. In an ironic twist this officer would be the highest ranking Imperial to survive the battle, but suffer humiliation o having to surrender to the Ewoks in the end.
     
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    Wow! I’m liking your alternative vision of ROTJ. You’re right about Luke turning, it never seemed on the cards. His only impetus to turn to the Dark Side would be to have immense power as Palpatine’s apprentice. Unlike his Dad, he was never really interested in power. Maybe he could have done something fairly ‘Dark’ in order to save Han (he always cared immensely about his friends, a ‘weakness’ to be exploited by the Dark Side). Perhaps slaughter Bib Fortuna or Boba, in a way that’s a bit unbecoming of Luke. Maybe he could have been even more disillusioned with Yoda’s reluctance to tell him/ Ben’s half truths ‘Point of View’. Palpatine could have really probed how these two figures lied to Luke.
     
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    By Lucas’ own account, the climax of ROTJ was very heavily based on the original ending he had in mind for the first film. The first half of the movie really is essentially padding. It isn’t pointless in that it very much reinforces the themes we see throughout the picture and the larger series, but a lot of it lays kind of flat and relatively inert compared to the finale, because (functionally, anyway) it’s filler.

    All the upfront elements are pretty solid though. The ‘rescue Han’ storyline works great to reestablish Luke’s attachment to his friends and the lengths he’ll go to protect them as well as demonstrating his personal growth and maturity - both aspects that are crucial to the final resolution of the narrative. It answers the cliffhanger regarding Han in ESB while simultaneously laying the groundwork for the buttons the Emperor will push on in the throne room. There’s a good bunch of atmospheric puttering going on in Jabba’s palace that sets a wonderful sense of space, but is also . . . well, filler - padding out the runtime.

    A lot of the incident with the Ewoks has the same sort of wheel spinning stagnancy where we’re sort of lingering there a bit more than needed in order to get the point across. Again, the elements are terrific. It highlights how the villains devalue connection and understanding while the heroes prize it as virtuous and that’s what secures their victory. And the method to making that connection is communication - from 3PO: a character constantly devalued and backgrounded. Fantastic. Just not very excitingly presented.

    As an aside, one of my personal favorite little aspects of ROTJ is the subtle juxtaposition between the introductions of the Emperor and Mon Mothma.

    I love how the leader of the Imperial side is greeted by enormous pomp and circumstance as a show of total subservience. He’s clad in a black shroud looking aged and rotten - like a specter of death. He’s the decrepit masculine representation of the evil Empire.

    In total opposition, the leader of the Rebel side instead enters a meeting of peers arranged around what’s effectively a round table. She’s dressed all in white looking youthful and serene - positively angelic. She’s the merciful feminine representation of the honorable Rebellion.

    Anyway, that’s one of the minor details I don’t see mentioned much that I think count as ‘brilliant’ that happens fairly early on.
     
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    Just adding to the ROTJ love in with this snippet of behind the scenes footage that popped up on Twitter today

    Note… Salacious Crumb clearly not versed in modern gender politics :eek:

     
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    The scene where she strangles Jabba reminds me of Eowyn killing the Witch King in LOTR
     
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    Reminds me of her father killing his own master who thought he was safely on a leash ;)
     
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    Another slice of brilliance to add to this ROTJ shrine...

     
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    If there exists one OT-theme that G. Walton Lucas was absolutely fascinated with, it's this.

    He was worried about Leia getting strangled by her bra in space, so bouncies it was then.
    Vader can hardly breathe on his own.... totally awesome because crippled henchmen.
    Tantive IV Officer was the first to get throttled at the neck... no force powers needed.
    Trash compactor monster choke squid arm... thank the droids.
    Vader is the father of force chokes.... Needa was my hommie.
    Jabba joining the eternal choir... buh bye hippo worm sleemo.
    Vader doing the same... was better with eyebrows, BTW.
     
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    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . huh?
     
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