SPECULATION The "Chosen One" Prophecy- Created by the Knight of Ren

It's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure how it would lead you to think that the Knights of Ren could originate the idea, and then somehow plant it within the Jedi? What do you think the relationship would have been between the two groups?

Personally, I'm not sure that the KOR are any older than 30 years. I honestly have no idea.

 

One of my little guesses is that the Knights of Ren actually created the Jedi to help protect the people they controlled. However, when the Jedi rose to power, they did not want to lose this power. So the Ren actually isolated themselves from the Jedi. This is related to how the Catholic Church became corrupted in the Middle Ages. While the Jedi weren't exactly corrupt, it would explain the Ren's dislike for them.

This is totally irrelevant to what you've posted, which I do like. But perhaps this is how they got back at the Jedi? It goes along with my guess (won't really call it a theory here).

I like what I am reading. I am just skeptical it will actually happen.

 

I like this idea!
I know that JJ and friends are trying to distance themselves a bit from the PT, but it's there. It's a thing that's part of the canon, and I like how this can help bring things together in a potentially interesting way. Not sure it's where they're going with things, but it'd be really cool if it was.

I'd been thinking maybe that as well, but lately I've been thinking more along the lines that they're an old organisation that liked to live in the background. Only to rise to more a place of prominence with both the Jedi and the Sith more or less gone from the galaxy.

 

So long as one Knight of Ren has a gratuitous dismemberment scene and makes it, Ala the green Knight / Minty Python.

 

definitely a cool theory. I could dig it....defiantly a long con though. what would the knights of ren get out of this though?

 

I really like this idea but doesn't the clone wars already elaborate on the chosen one idea and where it came from? I remember watching the episodes where Anakin, Ahsoka and Obi-Won land on a super force planet (can't remember what it's called) and there is the light side of the force represented by 'sister' the dark side represented by 'brother' and the 'father' was the "chosen one" to keep them in baIlance. Because the Father was getting old he asked Anakin to take his place as keeping the brother and sister in balance (the light and dark side of the force).

Maybe the Knights of Ren follow this idea that there is no true dark and lights side, instead a mix of both is what the true balance of the force is.

 

yeah that happened on Mortis is believe. its cannon. one of my favorite stories on clone wars.

 

I think you'll find that philosphy is what's known as 'The Unifying Force'.

Honestly though I really like the idea that the Knights of Ren originated the prophecy of the Chosen One in the same manner the Christians claim that Jesus will return.

Perhaps, with all of the old canon wiped out, Ren and his knights will be installed as the FIRST Force users-users of a 'unified' Force. Over time some became corrupted by the dark side, and some became dogmatically attached to the light (creating the Sith and the Jedi). Ren dies and the Knights create the prophecy of the Chosen One-a being born of the Force itself-who will bring balance to the Force by evening both sides.

Many assume that 'balancing the Force' means eliminating the corrupt Sith, but perhaps it meant literally making both sides equal in power?

 

The thing is though, the Sith were unbalancing the Force through their actions, bringing it under their control by sheer force of will, even though that wasn't the will of the Force, the Darth Plageuis novel also mentions a Twi'lek Sith Lord that opened a hole in the force allowing the Jedi to feel the dark side for the first time in 800 years. This is now a non-canon(or partially canon source based on elements referenced in Tarkin) source, but in the Darth Plagueis novel by Luceno, it was posited that the birth of Anakin was the Force striking back at the Sith for their manipulation of it, essentially creating the thing that would destroy them and restore balance to the force once again. This technically isn't canon any longer, but neither is the article that is cited at the beginning of this thread for that matter.

Any way we look at it though, I think Yoda's Vocal Coach has an interesting theory that I wouldn't mind seeing in some form in the films.

 

I am the Cantina's wet blanket when it comes to this. I think it would be fantastic if a new twist was written but as it is, "balancing the Force" meant eliminating the Sith. That's straight out of George's mouth and written straight into the stories. I think that with what we've learned about the Sith, especially Plagueis, this notion of the prophecy being about eliminating the Sith makes sense. As @Admiral Petty said, the Sith tore at the fabric of the Force in order to bend it to their will. Even Palpatine admitted that what they did was "unnatural."

Besides, at the end of ROTJ it was not equal in power. The score was 1-0 in favor of the Jedi.

Maybe we can add on to the prophecy with clever writing and interpretation. My feeling is that the prophecy story is finished. It concluded with the death of the Sith in Return of the Jedi. Our dark-siders are going to come from somewhere else from here on out. They'll have a different outlook, history and agenda. I think that's pretty exciting.

 

I know it was cool the jedi could visit a world were the force's balance was at it's strongest.

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Betrayal & failure is expected no one can keep 100% success rate, maybe for 30 years but it can happen.

 

I think they need to give the 'Chosen One' prophecy a rest.

 

I was thinking today about the JJ EW interview and how Kylo Ren has his own version of morality. Perhaps the Knights didn't create the prophecy, but much like @Bluestreaking's 3rd order idea, were born from it.

They've misinterpreted the idea, (like many of us fans) believing balance to mean equality in usage of both sides of the Force. They know the Sith to be exterminated and want to ensure the Jedi meet the same fate (ala Luke and his attempts at recreating the Order).

Per Lucas ... the Sith caused the imbalance in the Force by using the darkside with reckless abandon. From that, I gather that while the darkside exists regardless, using it creates some kind of perversion in the Force.

If the KoR see it another way, then Kylo would feel that he's,only doing the right thing, i.e. "continuing what" Vader "started" ... eradicating both Sith and Jedi. Vader nearly accomplished this task and the Knights of Ren want to see this finished.

 

"You were the chosen one Anakin! You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them!"

And of course, 20 years later he does. Prophecy fulfilled and case closed. As mentioned, straight out of GL's mouth...as spoken by Obi Wan.

Edit to add:

I do like the idea of a secret society acting from behind the scenes, it is a fun literary device that allows for throwaway comments that spawn whole mythologies. It's been used before

"You fought for my father in the Clone Wars..."

"It's the ship that made the Kessel run in 12 parsecs..."

"Darth Plagueis the wise, a being so powerful..."

"When Ren the Powerful chose to leave the Jedi order..."

But then the question remains, why go public?

 

I have to agree. It served its purpose in the PT, it was achieved in the OT, but it doesn't really have a purpose in the ST (as for as I'm concerned, at least).

Btw, great avatar!!