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SPECULATION The Chosen One

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by MarsPhoenix, Oct 20, 2019.

  1. MarsPhoenix

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    The Rise of Skywalker might change forever how we read the CHOSEN ONE prophecy.

    The CHOSEN ONE is NOT an individual....but a lineage.

    The CHOSEN ONE is..... the Skywalker.

    Only when Anakin, Luke and Leia will become ONE with the Force, Darth Sidious and the Sith will be defeated.
     
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    That sounds plausible.

    But what about Kylo/Ben? Does he need to be redeemed to help this along?
     
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    The Prophecy of the Chosen One is a distortion, a false prophecy. The true Prophecy is of the Sith’ari who will come;

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    Sith'ari was a title that, in the ancient Sith, meant "Lord" or "Overlord," first claimed by KingAdas. After Adas's death, the term became the subject of a legend prophesying the coming of a being that would lead and destroy the Sith, but in doing so would make the Sith more powerful than ever before. In this context, the term came to mean "perfect being" or "god."The prophecy, which was in many ways similar to the Jedi prophecy of the Chosen One, retained its significance for the Dark Lords up until the time of the Order of the Sith.

    The Sith'ari Prophecy was considered too sacred to be put into writing by the Kissai, who passed it on verbally from generation to generation. Sorzus Syn recorded it thus[1] c. 6900 BBY:[4]

    The Sith'ari will be free of limits.
    The Sith'ari will lead the Sith and destroy them.
    The Sith'ari will raise the Sith from death and make them stronger than before.”

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    Sources:

    -Book of Sith, Pgs 47-48
    -Sith’ari Wookieepedia
     
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    Interesting theories. I really do hope they bring Hayden back and we see force ghost Anakin. I also think he needs to play a major role in defeating Palpatine.
     
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    Yeah, I’ve also thought about the connection of ‘one with the Force’ and ‘the chosen one’ recently... I think there may well be something in that. We hear about the prophecy before Qui-Gon learns and teaches how to retain his identity when becoming one with the Force. Which is... a choice ;).

    I posted the following elsewhere not long ago:

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    'One'-ness is an interesting subject all on its own.

    You know the old joke? What kind of pizza does the Dali llama order? One with everything. :)

    Consider the phrases:

    'The Chosen One' and 'One with the Force'

    Does One = One? If you catch my meaning. The Chosen One could simply be an expression of the Force's 'one-ness' - that all who ultimately become one with the Force are one and always were one. So Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Anakin, Luke and presumably eventually Rey (maybe Ben and Leia) could all be 'The Chosen One'. From a certain point of view.
     
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    I've been reading a lot lately about the idea of messiahs and "chosen ones" being a concept that has led many to ruin. Just think how differently it would have turned out if there was no prophecy of a chosen one. Would the Jedi council have greeted Anakin differently? Would his training have been more adequate to protect him from the Emperor? Maybe the idea of a chosen one wasn't just a prophecy that "may have been misread," but another layer of manipulation exploited by Palatine.
     
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    In my opinion, the hypothetical scenario that your talking about where the isn't a "chosen one", would actually lead to the Jedi Order simply turning Anakin away as a result of being too old. The concept of "the Chosen One" was the deciding factor in them letting him train.
     
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    Yes, you are right. His high midichlorian count and the unique story of his birth definitely garnered him additional consideration by the council, and most of all, Qui-Gon believed Anakin was special and before he died tasked Obi-Wan with training him. Yoda reluctantly consented in response to Obi-Wan's statement that he would train Anakin regardless.

    So the prophecy did have a part in Anakin being trained via Qui-Gon's belief. Would it have been better if he had not been trained? The Jedi in my opinion definitely mishandled Anakin. I just wonder how much the idea of a "chosen one" played a part in that mishandeling. Maybe the prophecy and knowing how people react was part of Palpatine's manipulating plans.

    I don't think the "prophecy" of a chosen one will turn out to be fictitious in Star Wars. But I do think such concepts have a way of being self-fulfilling regardless, and somewhat of a cautionary tale as such. Deceptive individuals can use people's desire for (or lack of) the fulfillment of a prophecy to manipulate them.
     
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    The exact wording of the Chosen One prophecy:

    A Chosen One shall come, born of no father, and through him will ultimate balance in the Force be restored.

    Two things to take away from this:
    1. It refers to a Chosen One, not the Chosen One. The wording probably doesn’t mean much, but the one in this prophecy obviously refers to Anakin, as he literally had no father and was conceived by the Force itself.
    2. Probably more relevant to the theory of the Skywalker bloodline being the Chosen One: it states that only through him (Anakin) will ultimate balance in the Force be restored. I think it’s interesting that it uses the word “through” and I interpret that as meaning through his bloodline.
    It was up to Anakin Skywalker to achieve balance in the Force by turning back to the light side and overthrowing Emperor Palpatine. After that, there was balance for a time until Ben, according to Luke in TLJ. His wording is a bit vague, but maybe he means that Ben’s fall to the dark and extinction of the Jedi led to the Force falling out of balance once more. Because according to Lor San Tekka, there can be no balance in the Force without the Jedi.

    My speculation leads me to believe is that through the actions of Anakin, Luke, Leia, and Ben Solo, will the Sith be finally destroyed and to make way for the new Jedi Order, (one without the hypocrisy, flaws and hubris of the prequel-era Jedi) that will be presumably started by Rey, to uphold and maintain everlasting balance in the Force.
     
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    Wasn’t it confirmed in a comic that Palpatine had something to do with Anakin’s creation? It was at least strongly hinted at in RotS.

    I don’t mind if questions about Anakin's origins and the prophecy of the chosen one are never answered completely. If it’s all left ambiguous, it makes more thought provoking. There wouldn’t be much fun talking about certainties.
     
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    Interestingly, Darth Sidious has most of the Prophecy of the Chosen One crossed out and redacted from Jedi Path, the offical manual of the Jedi.
     
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    The Chosen "Ones"

    There is only one every decade.

    The Chosen Lots
     
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    Lucas has made it pretty clear for decades now that Anakin is the Chosen One, and he fulfilled the prophecy when he destroyed Sidious. Various BTS videos, the prequels, and TCW all confirm this. When people were going on about Luke being the Chosen One, after Obi-Wan called him that in the "Twin Suns" Rebels episode, that was quickly dismissed, and it was stated once again that Anakin was the Chosen One. It's not being changed.

    Palpatine continued existence doesn't mean the Sith still exist. Whether you're Sith or not is determined by the ideals and principles you follow. We know nothing about Palpatine's mindset, and how he views himself in TROS. Same reason Kylo Ren and the Inquisitorius aren't Sith either.
     
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    I think there is plenty of wiggle-room on both issues you discuss here, but I think it’s interesting that you are so open to the possibility of Palpatine not being a sith anymore (which I agree with and think you argue very eloquently), yet you are so certain that Anakin is the Chosen One and that can’t be changed (or our understanding of it at least).

    I do think Anakin was the Chosen One. But I think the definition of that term has some latitude which could include others.

    On Palpatine, it is interesting to me that (and please anyone correct me if I am wrong) I don’t believe we have heard any official word so far of Palpatine still being ‘Darth Sidious’... he seems to be being referred to as Palpatine by those in charge. Yet we have Sith Troopers, and they are supposedly First Order... it feels like there are a lot of pieces on the board of indeterminate sides, or at least with ambiguous loyalties/commitments...

    Also, bearing in mind how Star Wars often mirrors/parallels/‘rhymes’ etc... I keep coming back to this idea about Maul being in Solo... and can’t help wondering if it wasn’t a sly nod and a wink if Lucasfilm had more planned in this era of films than they have let on (as I have always personally suspected, to some degree) - in that, with Maul we have a former Darth, who was previously seen in the movies sliced in two at the waist but survived. Solo came after The Last Jedi where the same thing happened to Snoke, who we are told is not a sith. Now, in the film following Solo in release terms, we are facing the prospect of some kind of return for Palpatine, who may or may not be a sith anymore, but we know of course was one...

    All I’m saying is, could Maul in Solo be a little subtle link between Snoke and Palpatine in the ST - chosen to feature in Solo partly because they knew Palpatine was coming back in Ep IX, and because Snoke met a similar fate in Ep VIII as Maul did in Ep I...? A way to seed the ideas of Snoke’s death not being all it appeared either, and that sith, whether current or former sith, don’t die easily. This could also all fit a return for Anakin by the way... from certain points of view...
     
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    But Anakin is the Chosen One.. he brought balance:
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    Oh man I think about this math sooo much...
     
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    Wow I really like that take!
     
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    I don't think that is not what "balance" is about in terms of the force. It was discussed on the earlier pages of the thread as well, but the force is not considered in balance when all the Jedi are wiped out.
     
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    I think this thread goes to the heart of the catch 22 that the ST would always encounter. Since Lucas wrote the 1-6 with such finality (even if he intended to have a 7,8,9, the 1-6 story does have a true arc). The catch 22 of the ST was always going to be: Do you just make the ST a new story that attaches to the 1-6 story, or do you make the ST that puts the 1-9 story in an new context?

    I have liked everything new they have tried in the ST, (Rey/Kylo Force Skype) for example. I get somewhat frustrated when they try to go back and explore a plot point from 1-6, and give it a new context in the ST. The First Order, The Resistance, Palpatine, and possibly the Chosen One. I am more and more convinced they could have made 7,8,9 that continued to the Saga, but do it in a way that gave us a fresh story that didn't trample on 1-6. You could have had Luke, Leia, Han and even their kids, but they didn't need to rehash plot points that already finished their arc in Episode 6.
     
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    That's not how the force works.
     
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