SPECULATION the church of the force has no place in starwars

This reminds me of the Air Acolytes from Legend of Korra. People who do not possess a particular power-set or connection to a mystical force (or the official group that represents said force). But they nevertheless believe in it, it's ideals, and study/commitment themselves in it's cultural/beliefs systems.

I was fine with it there, and I'm fine with it here. I've heard nothing about "God" or more overt religious stuff.

 

Well, TPM used the expression ,,sitting ducks" that was very confusing to me aswell. Do ducks live in the SW universe?
However, its not like I want to sound like a wise guy, but you cut like half of my comment.
That wasnt very nice from you, tho this tactic it is pretty much common.
But to be fair I will paste the lines you cut there. If you want to reply to those aswell, please dont hestiate to do so.

In the very first Star Wars movie:
,,Your sad devotion to that ancient religion"
,,I find your lack of FAITH disturbing"

,,You my friend are all that is left of that religion"- Btw, Tarkin used the word ,,that", so logical reasoning dictates that there are others aswell, not just the jedi's. Otherwise he would've said ,,the" religion.

There are probably tons of religions in the SW universe. In ROTJ C3PO was refered to some kind of deity by the ewoks, remember?
The gungans also belived in gods, remeber why Jar-jar was released to go with Qui-gon?
And if you watched the clone wars there were witches there who were completly different from siths.

About the church of the force. It wasnt even mentioned in the movie, and I really doubt it would be an earth-like church. If you are nitpicking on the word ,,church" you should also nitpick about the jedi TEMPLE. Temple is one of the the most earthy and religious word you could find (definition: a building for religious practice: asa often capitalized : either of two successive national sanctuaries in ancient Jerusalem, a building for Mormon sacred ordinances, the house of worship of Reform and some Conservative Jewish congregations).

The expression church most likely has a different meaning in that context. The members dvelve into the history of the jedi and search for them and study the force, as the empire wanted to erase jedi from the history of the Rebublic. And judging from the OT people dont belive in the force anyomore, thus the expression church.
And despite the midichlorians, the force seems to be something which is rather mythical, and misterious with its own will, than a measureable energy-field or something scientifically determinable, so I guess the force was never a scientifically proven entity in the SW universe, and even the jedi need strong belief to use and trust the force. Maybe the scientists of the Rebublic believed that the jedi gain their powers from some undiscovered method (gene mutation or something like that).

 

May the Force be with you in a clear variation of the real world phrase "May the Lord be with you".

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The Maker:

I've been very conscious about not making movies religion-specific. When I brought Star Wars out, it seemed most religions used it to demonstrate their own beliefs - not only Judeo-Christian but also Eastern. And in many cases, people have said they're much more Eastern than Western in nature. The ideas of virgin birth, the freeing of slaves - the issue of Immaculate Conception is a motif that runs through all religions, all stories about the local deity or the local hero. It's the same thing with Hercules. Most heroes are conceived in an unusual way. And in this particular case, it's actually not Immaculate Conception, it's conception by metaphor.

Star Wars is a clear mix of many mythologies, religions and spiritual practices. And as Lucas says, there is far more of a connection to Eastern beliefs than the Judeo-Christian stuff.

What is great about the Force is that it appeals to hardcore atheists/anti-theists like myself.

 

"I find your lack of faith disturbing." Vader in ANH.
"You my friend are all that's left of their religion." Tarkin in ANH.
"Hokey religions and ancient blasters are no match for a good blaster in your hand." Han in ANH.
"Don't try and scare us with your sorcerers ways Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion hasn't allowed you to conjure up the stolen data plans." Motti in ANH.
"Then I'll see you in H***" Han in ESB.
"I do believe that they think that I'm some kind of god." C3PO in ROTJ,
"It's against my programming to impersonate a diety." C3PO in ROTJ.
Etc.

Really, SW has never been about religion, or used religious undertones before?

 

What are you referring to? What Church? When did anyone reference a Church of Force in The Force Awakens?
Did we see the same film? Was this in the novelization?

Are you referring to Lor San Tekka's character being the head of some Force worshippers?
If so, you may want to add that to your OP for context.

 

I really don't see your point my friend as religion has always been a part of SW. Ewoks, Gungans and many other species believe in gods and godesses and this has never been a problem. Trandoshans worship a godess they call the Scorekeeper and the Yuuzhan Vong had lots of gods and goddesses that they worshiped. Regarding your ''ow God'' comment I have to say that this shouldn't be an issue as well because way before TFA, Han had said '' Then I'll see you in hell'' in ESB letting us know there is thought of an afterlife in SW and Anakin thought Padme was an angel in TPM.

 

Han Solo: "I'll see you in Hell."
Obi Wan "Damned fool idealistic crusade"
Tarkin: "Their religion"
Threepio: "Against my programing to impersonate a diety"

as far as semantics goes...those are some earth words that have religious implications from the OT.
Now the word "Church" brings a lot of Earth baggage with it. One automatically thinks of Christianity when hearing "Church".
Nothing wrong with Christianity, but I don't like the idea of using the word "Church" in SW. Just use a different word. Its too evocotive.

Also:
Luke in ESB: "Ben!!!" (Praying to a dead "saint" for help. Catholicism)

Star Wars is highly spiritual. Ghosts, mystic powers, an "all powerful Force controlling everything". There will always be correlations to human spirituallity...but "Church" is a little too Earthy. And religion is a controversial topic here an Earth for some reason. I don't like being reminded about Earth when I'm watching Star Wars.

By the way, I got nothing against church here on earth. I even go every once in a while.


EDIT:
@master_shaitan Just saw you're post! Haha. Didn't mean to copy you!

 

I think there's a little bit of the Star Wars Hot Chocolate Syndrome happening here. Hearing the word "Church" in SW would hit my ears the same way "Psyche!" or "Dawg" or "Bingo" or "crap" or "Pizza" or "Video Game" or "internet" etc. Too earthy. Just say "cabal" or "cult" or "followers" or "congregation" or something a little less earthy.

 

The first Star Wars movie ANH hints at a religion or some kind of cult.

Motti talking to Darth Vader:

Don't try to frighten us with
your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader.
Your sad devotion to that ancient religion
has not helped you conjure up the
stolen data tapes, or given you
clairvoyance enough to find the
Rebel's hidden fort...

Tarkin talking to Darth Vader:

The Jedi are extinct, their fire has
gone out of the universe. You, my
friend, are all that's left of their
religion.

By the way, I like the subtle message in both dialogs. (that is what I missed deeply in TFA)
In my opinion the dialog from ANH beats any of his successors.
So many memorable quotations in this movie alone.
Even minor characters like Uncle Owen, Aunt Beru, Motti have good dialog. (Greedo too)

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I don't like both expressions either, it would sound weird in Star Wars, but there is a workaround, they will name it religion or cult.
I have no problem with it, it's already established since Star Wars IV ANH.

 

The church is kinda weird in SW saga. I feel like the force was the biggest deal in the SW saga. When they refer to it as a cult or religion its cause its was stories of the past. with Vader not using it towards the end of the OT and the emperor . there is only 5 people using the force in the OT.

 

But a temple is like a church and is in this movie.Luke was looking for it and found it.I think that Luke is in search of knowledge to fight the dark side better.He was trying to make a academy of NEW jedi students BUT we know what happen.One thing is sure:The FORCE:Is ALL TRUE and the fight between GOOD and EVIL,Light and Dark is a REAL reality in today life too.I was thinking now.....Kylo Ren kill ALL Luke students from his academy.Anakin(Darth Vader)do the same with ALL the little jedi too.This is to much coincidence.Both of them WANT to finish with ALL the Jedi.Wierd reality.....What is a temple???Below is a link explaining.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple

 

Without proper context, this thread is sacrilege. I asked God.

 

can somebody tell me what scene it is where Rey allegedly says "oh" or "ow God"? i think this is a misunderstanding.