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The closing of the door between Rey and Kylo

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by TheBBP, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. TheBBP

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    It has been speculated by many of us that the scene where Rey closes the door on the Falcon with Kylo looking-on was a visual cue that any potential romance between the two was severed. In today's Star Wars show, the Storygroup revealed that this was indeed the "Godfather moment".

    In that scene in the Godfather, it is portrayed that Michael Corleone had all but literally chosen to lead a Mafia over a real relationship with her. Several of his underlings enter the room as she is in the next room getting them a drink and one of them shuts the door between them so that they can discuss business. This is the last that we see of the couple.

    This couple was born out of necessity. Kay was useful to him but he didn't love her. He loved and had married another woman. When she was taken from him, he turned back to Kay a year later. Ultimately he all but promised her what she wanted and in the end chose to live a life against those promises.

    This is how Kylo sees Rey. She'd be very useful for him, but he wants power instead. He stood at a crossroad where he could have chosen redemption and acceptance and a possible relationship with her, but he chose power without a second thought. When Rey closes the door, she literally closed it on a potential relationship.

    Another thing worth noting since much of the visuals in these films seem to be themeatic is that when both Kylo and Rey are trying to "win" the Skywalker Saber, their energies push against each other and drive them further apart. I believe that is another visual nod.
     
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    Perhaps, perhaps not. Of course it is a nod to The Godfather and the failed relationship between Michael and Kay.

    However, the Force bond has not been severed. In the same Star Wars Show, they mentioned that there was some kind of connection between them, maybe inspired on what Dave Filoni had for Maul and Ezra in Rebels. Perhaps Snoke only amplified it, so there was a kind of communication between them that would lead onto Rey trying to bring back Ben to the light. This way, even with Snoke dead, the Force bond is still there. So the interesting perspective will be how that Force bond will continue linking them.
     
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    Yes this is probably most definite end for realistic expectations of Rey and Kylo to ever have romance.

    Kylo simply chosed a power over Rey as a person, and a woman.

    If there was to be true love, love would win. But Kylo has no love,only greed for power.

    Their bond is powerfull, but its not romantic love, definitely.

    It is strong bond between them , but certainly it was not love, otherwise love would win.

    Kylo had position to chose freely as a man.He chosed wrongly. So their bond exists, its strong, but definitely not a romantic bond because it would crush the barrier.

    Well, it didn't.
     
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    I'm not speaking about a breaking of the bond. I'm speaking in terms of a romantic relationship. This is even without considering the incredible amount of atrocities and evil that he has done and partaken in. He can absolutely be redeemed and be forgiven but he cannot be absolved of the consequences of all the evil and wrong that he has done. There will be a price to pay.
     
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    Door: 1. Something that people walk back and forth through. 2. Something that people close. 3. Something that people open. 4. Not something that is usually closed forever. 4. A passage over a threshold.
     
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    Y the heck these 2 even have a bond if not related or being master/padawan . It's like Hitler & Churchill having a bond.
     
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    It's funny because I have the same conclusions but reversing the roles : Rey/Michael shuts Kylo/Kay out of her life. Kylo may need Rey, she doesn't need him.
     
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    No doubt.
     
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    I haven't seen that episode of TSWS yet, but, from what you've said, this is not how I understood that scene at all. To me it meant that their link is alive and whatever is between these two (personally I tend not to think about it in terms of romantic relationship) is still unresolved. There's something slightly regretful and hopeful in Kylo's look there. I think it's a very nice touch. As for Rey, she's definitely mad, but I think she's more like "I'm shutting this door, but we're not done yet" - whatever that would mean. Rey is the key to Kylo's redemption and even if that's not where they're going, I doubt we're supposed to think it's ruled out just yet.
     
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    Sorry, I have to put it here. In this scene, since the first viewing, every time I see the Vulcan salute:p

    Btw, I really like the connection between Kylo and Rey in the movie (probably the best part). At the end I see something like: "It's not over. We'll be in touch"
     

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    This relationship is far from over. Both characters have to complete some sort of arc by the end of IX. As the link wasn't severed I am almost certain that we will see them finding comfort in each other's presence once again. I suspect that perhaps we'll see Kylo reaching out to Rey rather than the other way round that we saw in VII. Either that or they'll just kill each other... but I would prefer the former.
     
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    That's the way to read it! Wonderful post!
     
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    I always believed that Anakin and Michael have a lot in common.
    And I always suspected that is because Coppola and Lucas are good friends and influenced one another.
    But I didn't get the reference Michael-Key / Kylo-Rey even tho that is how I read that scene.
    So it's fun for me. Like "how did I miss that?"
    Maybe because, to me, Kylo is more close to Vincent Mancini.
    And Vincent chose power over Mary, before she died.
    However... Sure people at LF know that these two saga share a lot and if they call for a specific reference they know the implications.
     
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    It was a cool scene.
     
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    (obi-wan ghost) Very good points, a door closed doesn't necessarily meant closed forever. I guess this will be the new speculation, no longer Rey's parents
     
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    Just gonna note that "Kay" is the worse version of their couple name outside of Reylo...

    Regarding the door- I do wonder if their connection is still going to persist in the next film.

    In fact, I find it interesting that it persisted after Snoke's apparent death. Not saying Snoke is still alive or anything- just that, apparently they were still able to maintain it perhaps without him.

    That seems meaningful, somehow, like they were still trying to hang onto it. Double so since, if Rey did shut the door, they did both have the power to end it as well.
     
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    Yeah there will be a price to pay but we don't know which one it will be. In terms of a romantic relationship, I don't see an absolute end of story there.

    But again, we shall see.

    "Wonderful girl. Either I'm going to kill her or I'm beginning to like her."

    Wonder who said that lol.
     
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    My takeaway from my 2nd viewing was during the first "Force Skype" between Kylo & Rey, Kylo says "Who's doing this? You're not doing this, the effort alone would kill you". This line, along with the scene of Kylo's hands getting wet from the rain, led me to believe this was in a way foreshadowing Luke's force projection. Further, I think it was meant to illustrate that the "Force Skype" was a form of force projection that we later learned was being carried out by Snoke. My theory (which I'm sure will turn out to be wrong) is that the end scene that shows their connection still exists was hinting that Snoke is still out there in some form or fashion
     
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    Yeah, I think it's a possibility, for sure.
     
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    I hope so....
    I also find interesting the parallel established between Luke talking to his "sister" once he decided to reconnect with the force and then immediately we see Rey and Kylo doing the same.
     
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