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SPECULATION The Connection Between Rey and Ben.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by BB-Rey, Feb 12, 2017.

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What Is Their Connection?

  1. Cousins

    27 vote(s)
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  2. Siblings

    7 vote(s)
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  3. Cousins and Balancing of the Force

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  4. Siblings and Balancing of the Force

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  5. No Biological Connection and Balancing of the Force

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  6. None of the Above

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  1. BB-Rey

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    Recently Starwars.com updated their biographies for Rey and Ben respectively with hints there's a connection between the two of them. Of course, there's the obvious possibility of a link that they're either cousins or siblings but, what if it's something more than that? What if it's they both need each other to contrast each other as they're both two spectrums of the Force? They need each other to restore Balance to the Force. Rey contains the Dark Side in Ben, while Ben craves the Light Side in Rey. Together they have a very Ying and Yang relationship similar to Darth Maul and Ezra in Rebels. The Last Jedi's Working Title was Space Bear with a panda bear, an animal that originated from where the concept of Ying and Yang first began. (Hi, Gary!)

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    The true purpose for both Rey and Ben is their need for each other in harmony, not true dominance for either the Light or the Dark Sides, respectively.

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    Noteworthy: The script for The Force Awakens had this to say about their relationship.

    " Kylo Ren nearly TOUCHES HER FACE... THEY'RE BOTH SURPRISED: they react to a feeling that passes between them -- AN ENERGY THEY RECOGNIZE IN EACH OTHER. And then it's gone. Adversaries again."
     
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    Leia in Marvel's Princess Leia #2.

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    cousins :)
     
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    #ReyLo.




    pre-emptive meme response:

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    i can't decide whether i'm laughing or crying at this. either way, thank you for putting some perspective on the morning's inanities. hahahaha
     
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    :eek:
     
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    I'm leaning towards familial + Force bond with regards to Rey and Ben, but I remain open-minded and will eagerly await whatever revelations are in store for us.

    With Rogue One most recently in mind as a direct Star Wars film example to draw from, I believe a non-romantic relationship can still play out compellingly between Rey and Kylo.

    One of the over-arching themes of the Star Wars film saga is family, familial ties, and, more generally, relationships and fellowship.

    Such relationships take on many forms throughout Star Wars, including (but not limited to):
    • purely familial (e.g. Luke + Leia, Han + Ben, Savage + Maul)
    • brotherly / sisterly (e.g. Anakin + Obi-Wan / Han + Luke / Hera + Sabine)
    • parental / fatherly (e.g. Jyn + Galen Erso, Anakin + Luke)
    • collegial / friendly (e.g. C-3PO + R2-D2 / BB-8 + Rey / Finn + Poe)
    • mentoring (e.g. Qui-Gon Jinn + Obi-Wan / Luke + Yoda + Obi-Wan / Obi-Wan + Anakin / Anakin + Palpatine / Ezra + Kanan / Ezra + Maul)
    • philosophical / spiritual / mystical (e.g. Jedi, Sith, the Guardians of the Whills, the Bendu, Lasat)
    • alliances (e.g. the Ghost crew, Mon Mothma + Jyn Erso, Jyn + Cassian, the Empire + bounty hunters, Jedi + clones, Sith + Trade Federation)
    • monetary (e.g. Trade Federation, the Banking Clan)
    • military (e.g. the Empire, the Rebel Alliance, the First Order, the Resistance, Stormtroopers, Rebels)
    • tribal / cultural (e.g. Nightbrothers, Mandalorians, Jawas, Tusken Raiders)
    • romantic (e.g. Anakin + Padme, Han + Leia)
    • competitive / adversarial (e.g. Yoda + Palpatine, Obi-Wan + Maul, Anakin + Obi-Wan, pod racers)

    Exploring the multiple connections between characters and consequences can lead to all sorts of new insights and appreciations of the more subtle aspects of this saga, and there is much more to that than I could possibly account for in this post, as I know I'm just scratching the surface here.
     
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    For me ReyLo could signify the balance between light and darkness. There can be no doubt that these two are kindred spirits, meeting together from different sides of the spectrum. If Kylo has "come from good but has chosen evil" then it makes sense for Rey to have "come from evil but to have chosen good". The unification of their two souls, that are somewhat destined to be together, symbolises the unification of the Force itself, between both the cosmic and the living as well as the dark and the light.

    We saw in TFA how Kylo Ren was walking the Dark Side path but that Rey brought out his compassion. Likewise, Rey was a good girl from the start but as she fought with Ren, her anger and hatred came to the surface. If they were twins or even siblings this might work on another metaphorical level but this is looking more unlikely by the day.

    Being "star crossed lovers", forbidden from loving one another by their families but knowing that they are destined to be together makes sense within the hero journey structure. For the hero must return from their journey with a knowledge that no one else can know or understand. Luke of all people would understand how family members can sense the light in each other and strive for one another's redemption. However, could he or anyone else understand Rey's feelings for Ren and vice verser? I'm not so sure. But I think Rey and Ren have walked similar paths and have a similar psychology that intrinsically puts them together.

    Yes folks, prepare yourselves. ReyLo makes sense. I feel the conflict within you, let go of your hate!
     
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    A no-romantic connection yes, but as soon as Rey falls for her abuser, I'm done with it. We have enough crap like Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey. Just male's worst fantasies. :confused:
     
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    ah the classic romeo & juliet storyline.

    the dynamic is a bit different here though. it would be easy to get my head around if it was as simple as 'good girl falls for bad boy', as that has been the subject of umpteen gazillian films and tv shows.

    the problem i have with Reylo is that Rey has seen Kylo:-

    capture and interogate/abuse her
    kill his own father who she was becoming friends with
    critically hurt her new friend Fin

    she seems too willful and head strong to bypass those things to have physical feelings for him.

    the only tv comparison i can think of that had something vaguely similar was buffy/angel. he was a killer.. regularly attacked her and friends/family and yet she still loved him.

    also @master_shaitan... they are cousins* and that would be ikky :p


    *aftermath: empire's end might throw all of these debates up in the air
     
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    Ironically, two very popular books with female readers, written by female authors!
     
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    sadly :(
     
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    Why is that sad?
    I imagine it's liberating for women to have a female perspective out there - regardless of your male prudishness!
    The bad boy figure has always been a popular one with women. And I think a woman's ability to tame said bad boy is a pro, rather than a con.

    And as I and others have pointed out, at no stage has Kylo Ren abused Rey. And the real point is that Ben Solo certainly hasn't.
     
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    But neither are for family or chidren's entertainment.
     
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    I'm not suggesting Kylo and Rey are going to de-robe.
     
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    once an abuser, always an abuser (Kylo tortured Rey and abused her mind). I simply have zero tolerance on this for a reason. That's it. :(
     
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    ironically, children will likely be the easiest to convince of a romance between these two because they aren't naturally jaded, pessimistic, and/or corrupted by reality with regard to human relationships.

    Star Wars is a fantasy. a fantasy love story would not be that much of a stretch here.
     
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    Darth Vader:

    Murdered children.
    Choked his wife.
    Tortured Leia.
    Cut off his sons hand and tried to turn him evil.
    Oppressed an entire galaxy....

    ...yet you can forgive him.

    Kylo Ren gets a bit physical with a female combatant and you dismiss him as irredeemable?
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 14, 2017, Original Post Date: Feb 14, 2017 ---
    Beauty and the Beast.
     
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    as I said in another post, he paid for his crimes with his death. If the same happens to Kylo, that's fine. ;)
     
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    Although I don't see that as a prerequisite of his redemption: are you saying that you're ok with ReyLo, just so long as Ben Solo/Ren dies?
     
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