SPECULATION The Connection Between Rey and Ben.

because he has serious mental health issues and lacks the tools to reform the galaxy constructively (though i still have all confidence he'll get there somehow).
did we watch the same movie? hahaha

 

How do you know ?

 

Superb! #ReyLoconfirmed

 

I feel it...lol....

Duh...the Force told me...why...doesn't the Force speak to you?

 

Because I love in reality

 

Oh no!!!

 

Adam Driver defined humanity and it's not what you think.

Adam Driver, actor: “At the end of it, I think the great thing about Star Wars is that, yes, it’s a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away and there are spaceships and lightsabers, but the family story and the friendship and sacrifice elements are really big, human themes that make it enduring. All those human things are what connected people to those movies in the first place. It’s never been taken lightly, and there’s always been a conversation that starts with putting the humanity in it.” (Star Wars Insider magazine #162 January 2016 issue – released: December 22, 2015)

By romanticism, Rian Johnson means Romanticism.

 

"Specifically, the question was about what Adam Driver most looked forward to doing as Kylo Ren in Episode VIII, to which he replied:

“I think maybe this is such a general answer but you know, humanity. Even though it’s very much a blockbuster movie, and I’m aware of that, there was no taking that for granted and that we were forced to be general [in The Force Awakens]. There was a lot of plot points that we knew were operating in the first one, that we get to explain more in the second one, that kind of make both of them make sense. But they do kind of feel socially active to me. And George Lucas originally — a lot of Star Wars was in response to Vietnam and a lot of what I remember talking about with [Force Awakens director] J.J. [Abrams] and [Episode VIII director] Rian [Johnson] was this idea of terrorism, and two sides being morally justified to behave however they wanted to to get whatever they thought was absolutely correct.” [X]


"It’s similar to how The Empire Strikes Back has a different tone," said Driver. "For that people always go 'oooh, it’s dark' but I don’t know that it necessarily is. It’s just different in tone in a way that I think is great and necessary but also very clear."

Driver also says writer and director Rian Johnson trusts his audience is "ready for nuance and ambiguity," and he is "not dumbing anything down."

He also praised Johnson's writing and directing. "Rian is coming into something that we kind of set up and he just took it to the next level in a really great way... Rian’s writing is so clear. I learned a lot of things about my character through his writing." [X]

http://www.ora.tv/larrykingnow/2017/1/4/adam-driver-previews-star-wars-viii

 

it's not? i'm confused. what did i think?

 

Brother and sister makes the most sense, as Lucas intended.

I'm sure there's a lot we don't know yet back story wise. Luke will be the old Ben of this trilogy.

Just an opinion

 

What about Ren falling for his abuser? She sliced up his face when he was already disarmed.... If that's not abuse, I don't know what is.... She didn't do it to defend hersef, she did it because she wanted to.... First class abuse! Who worries about HIS fate in this, huh? :-D

 

It's true...All of it...Han said so him self...
Rey plays dirty...best thing about her...but...she does to the wrong person atm

 

in the end, Rey really does him more harm.
she gets away with her righteous anger, whereas she's pretty much destroyed everything he's believed up until now. hahahaha

 

Yup, she's your typical abuser.... Taking out her anger on anyone she sees fit... Pretty scary if you ask me. The woman is a menace!

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--- Double Post Merged, Feb 20, 2017, Original Post Date: Feb 20, 2017 ---

You know I'm right One abuse doesn't excuse another, 2 wrongs don't make a right. The woman is hell bent on beating the crap out of any man she meets.... The only one who got away was Han Solo.... Probably because he didn't get a chance to make her mad yet...... YET

 

Well....you know...it is her personality. Basically arrogance. Justified for sure cuz she had a tough life being left on her own and having to scavenge to survive....but still....she is selfcentered. Taking only her point of view into consideration. Not his. Even if he was the one who lived his life and made his choices, lived through the consequences of them too. Not her. Sometimes people can grow out of it...sometimes not. Let's hope for the best.
I personally don't see any connection, meaningfull one at least, forming between them unless she stops being so selfcentered and finds some compassion for him. Like he has for her. Inspite of them being adversaries. He offers her parts of himself...she refuses and puts him down. Violently. Sure, shoud they get into a relationship without her growing but remaining this way, their sex would be great and feisty, but...without compassion, there can be no love. And Kylo....Kylo seeks understanding more than anything I think.

Sure I am projecting, but that's the fun of emotional involvment in fictional stories and charachters. I am pretty sure everyone here does it. From their own, selfcentered, point of view.....hence all the conflicts...

 

you have a strange understanding what was going on there, but I guess you are not serious.

 

I think one of the main things that happens with female protagonists in action settings is the idea that they are either sexually or romantically involved with the antagonist.

You can read physical aggression towards the two characters as tension, and often sexual tension. even between two male characters. However when one of the said characters is female its almost always assumed that the combat and tension is a metaphor for sexual tension and intimacy. because chopping someone to bits with a big laser sword and wrestling it from their hands is an intimate act. it is. its very physical and personal, but because of our general lack knowledge around this area in real life we tend to equate intimacy with loving/sexual feelings. It also happens on a psychological level too. so if the two characters a psychological rivals (see Kylo Ren & Hux) that rivalry can be read as sexual tension too.

This doesn't mean anything is going on between Kylo Ren/Rey. it also doesn't mean that nothing is.
To be Honest, I always found Han and Leia's relationship a bit cringey, his interactions with her around the snow base, while completely believable for his character, I found them a bit forceful and never really enjoy watching that form of courtship (I understand it was from another time). But I doubt his son, Ben Solo, would be capable of any kind of romantic entanglement that was that tame. I think there could be a one sided infatuation from Kylo Ren's side, I mean he is obsessed with her in TFA. I just don't know if it needs to go any further than that. Because Rey would give away a vast amount of power if she fell for her nemesis.

As a thought exercise its interesting to consider the inverse- if in Ep8 Rey became obsessed with Kylo Ren is a romantic/sexual way and confronted him about it, if he said he still upheld the Jedi idea of not falling in love, like his commitment was to bring order to the galaxy and not let emotions get in his way- Then what? Because he would still be an aggressor but not of a sexual kind. and in that way Rey would maintain sexual/romantic agency, where as in TFA she is often the character being acted upon. paralysed, abducted, restrained, mentally probed, thrown against a tree. and so on. Her combat with Ren is initiated by him, she's doing self defence the whole film. so it seems like Ren is for sure the Aggressor, but this could be inverted in ep8 for interesting results.

Oh but just for the sake of it- There was obviously a connection between Han and Rey. She liked him, as a father, a mentor, a friend. If she saw some of Han Solo in Kylo Ren then I can see her wanting to redeem him or even starting to like him despite herself. I'm not saying its a good plot, I'm just saying that as she idolised Han, its inevitable that she will have some relating feelings to his son Ben. even if its just curiosity about what motivated Ben to kill his father.