SPECULATION The downfall of Snoke

Nobody cares about Snoke. Seriously! What's there to be frightened of or be in awe of? He's basically a big hologram. A completely depthless and uncharasmatic character who just is "the big bad guy" without explaining his origins or motivation, Its almost as if George Lucas himself wrote this character. Definately the weakest written character of Episode VII.

 

I wish there was an option for multiple characters, because I believe Snoke has the potential to be, if the writers do take it in that direction, nearly unconquerable by the end of Episode IX.

I've decided Snoke should pose some significant or unprecedented challenge to the galaxy, or else Luke Skylwaker would have dealt with him along ago, rendering the Sequel Trilogy unnecessary.

If Snoke is that formidable, I did imagine a scene involving multiple characters confronting and defeating Snoke through their combined commitment to one of the Force's most powerful aspects of expression in another thread.

I believe Snoke does have a weakness. Whether it's his diminished (or lack of) Force abilities due to some reanimation/resurrection method (since he's apparently ancient and/or injured) or something else, I wonder if he might actually need there to be an imbalance in the Force simply in order to stay alive.

This could explain why he would have created the First Order, the Knights of Ren, and tried to essentially install a new empire (with himself as the Supreme Leader) in the galaxy at this very late stage in his life. If he already has the power to establish all of this, it is not likely he acts simply "for power," and he might be motivated by another agenda yet to be revealed.

I've wondered if immortality could be one such agenda. Perhaps Snoke is biding his time with the First Order and Kylo Ren and has hopes of transferring himself, or at least his consciousness or spirit, into Ben or Rey (or maybe even Luke) at some point.

I think one way Luke and/or the others could defeat Snoke is through a collaborative method he has either not foreseen or considered likely to happen. Hence my scene suggestion at the link above.

JediMasterRobert

 

i agree with @JediMasterRobert; i suspect it'll take a team effort. we need that option in the poll.

i also would like to see something more sophisticated/thoughtful/impressive than 'splosions and fancy lightsaber ballet.

 

What if Snoke is Luke? Just tossing it out there...

 

Finn and Rey will defeat him everyone else(beside Poe and every other trooper Resistance and First Order) will die with Luke striking a crictal part of his body

 

I don't remember who exactly (so if it was you feel free to speak up!), but someone brought up the idea that we might see a non-redeemed Kylo take down Snoke.
I think that it would actually more likely this way than if Kylo were to do so as part of/after his redemption. To me it would just be a bit too on the nose as far a Vader parallels go.

 

I think Kylo will be "saved" and turn on everyone. At first everyone will believe him and Lukr Skywalker doesn't so they all think is crazy while Kylo Ren secretly taunts him and something happens finally where Kylo's cover is blown and Snoke comes to rescue him and kill Luke which is when Snoke then tries to kill Kylo and Kylo finally redeems himself by letting Snoke kill Kylo Ren while Rey delivers the final blow .

 

Has to be Luke doesn't it? I think the gang will be instrumental in Snoke's defeat, but the final showdown has to be with Luke, after all Luke is the one Snoke's leary of, and I'm sure Luke has some beef about Snoke turning his nephew and contributing to the downfall of his Jedi school, ect ect. I think the cool explosions and light saber ballets will be left to the kids, and the old men will have an epic force battle. Bring on the battle of the force Titans

 

Considering how Snoke doesn't seem to have a clear-cut single rival (Luke may be an option, but I don't think his involvement will be center stage), his downfall will probably be the result of a collaborative effort from everyone, or just Rey and Luke. I didn't think that Snoke needed to be an all powerful villain, to make for a good "final boss", but since it seems that everyone is clamoring for Snoke to be all powerful, then fine, I'm ok with either.

Snoke may not even fight at all, perhaps he is all talk and only results to using his fists when forced to. It makes me wonder whether Snoke may suffer more of a mental defeat, rather than a physical one.

Now then:

What a spit in the face to everyone who likes Snoke. In case you don't know, I like Snoke.

I find that his look has the potential to look intimidating, and the fact that he projects himself as a large hologram really speaks about how he still views himself as a superior being despite himself being "vulnerable". And this is before we even learn about where he came from, and what his "true plans" are. So you saying he is "completely depthless" is "completely incorrect".

And "uncharasmatic" Ha!, perhaps to you, but to me, Snoke is a living magnet, that's how charismatic he is.

What a low blow to George Lucas as well, If it weren't for that man none of us would even be posting here right now.

He is not the weakest written character in Episode VII, I would give that title to someone like Phasma. She hardly has any relevance to ep VII rather than
just looking cool.

Oh and I almost forgot .

And what exactly will happen if a non-redeemed Kylo does kill Snoke?

 

Well Luke already defeated Palpatine and Vader (indirectly) but does that mean that Luke Skywalker needs to be the distant saviour of The Galaxy ?

 

Interesting posts so far in this thread, fun to see how out there our theories can get at this point. As for me, I don't know who will strike the final killing blow per se, but I think his defeat will ultimately be because of the actions of Rey. She basically is the Luke of the new trilogy at this point. I do hope that there is no redeemed Kylo involved in his death though, as others have said, it would be a bit to on the nose.

 

Defeating the First Order, emancipating the Stormtroopers. Redeeming Kylo and ending the war will bring about Snoke's oblivion. I believe he lives off the power of the Dark Side and so if that power is diminished it will lead to Snoke's oblivion. Rey will be the main hero to bring this about but will require the help of everyone else.

 

Nice touch on how Snoke's fate plays out but I think Luke should take on the supreme leader & give a Rey a future of peace......for now at least.

 

Maybe. But I think for Rey's story to work, Luke has to step as aside as Kenobi and Yoda did. If the mentor is always around to hold the hand of the hero then the hero can never truly progress through the hero's journey.

 

I get this feeling of urgency from Snoke, as if he could die from natural causes soon if things don't work out the way he wants. I've been imagining that Luke has been sitting it out on his island just waiting for Snoke to die of old age, and then all is well.

I'd like to see our major players agreeing on non-involvement with Snoke, not even going near him, and him dying of natural causes with no one nearby to transfer his spirit into. You could certainly film that as a showdown scene.

 

I don't think I buy the spirit essence stuff. It could happen of course, but I find it a bit far fetched.
My view is that Snoke has little physical power - in that he is extremely vulnerable and weak. All the power he does have he uses to keep himself alive and manipulate those below him into doing his bidding. His only true power now is his knowledge. You might want to call it wisdom.

I'd love to see a scene at the end of the trilogy where Snoke is desperately trying to get Kylo or Rey or someone to do something evil. Begging them to do his bidding with the promise of great power. But they reject him. Now he can't suddenly pull a Sidious and go all lightning on them. He is a shadow. He is nothing. And when those that once empowered him by using the Dark Side reject evil, he faces utter oblivion.

 

I had the impression, that snoke is not really a big fan of his apprentice. Beside the fact he could turn him he perhaps tries to capture Rey because he seeks for a new host with more mental stability. Therefor he could prefer to take over Rey. If there is a moment when snoke confronts Rey and Kylo and Kylo recognises that his Master tries to get rid of him, he could explode in outrage.. He kills Snoke and Rey helps him. Afterwards he hesitates once more to kill Rey. She escapes.

 

Got the same vibe from Snoke. He seems disapointed and even reserved...Or just unsure if Kylo Ren is even wort all the trouble. But he needs him somehow for something.