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The Emperor's throne room in TROS is all wrong

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Obi5Kenobi, Jun 12, 2020.

  1. Obi5Kenobi

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    I recently came across a thread on Reddit that I thought belonged here. This is the spire and emperor's throne room from ROTJ:

    ROTJ_Spire.jpg



    I didn't realize it when I saw TROS in the theater, but this spire and the rooms atop it are what the dagger points to when Rey holds up the dagger against the wreckage of the DS2:
    TROS_Spire_circled.jpg



    As you can see, it's almost completely sideways. Yet, it's almost totally level when Rey and Kylo Ren are inside:

    Throne_Room_TROS.jpg



    In addition to that, the door that Rey uses to access the room housing the wayfinder wasn't there in ROTJ:

    No_Door.jpg


    Even if the door had been there, the only place it should have opened to was outside:

    Throne_Room_Cross_Section.jpg

    The room that Rey walked into was way too big to possibly be located anywhere on the opposite side of the mysterious door. Maybe a broom closet could have fit there or a cupboard, but no room that someone could walk into.
     
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    I’m pretty sure they talked about this in the TROS documentary that came with the home release. They talked about how they fully recreated the actual throne room digitally from the original set blueprints from ROTJ and then imagined the first floor collapsing down to the second. As for the room where Rey finds the wayfinder they admitted they took “creative liberties” with that aspect of it.

    It’s pretty cool all they detail they put into TROS.
     
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    I've pondered that the way finder room is actually just a like a side closet... cabinet... thing....
    But thanks to Dark Side juju, when Rey enters the whole "room" as we see it is actually a corruption of reality, psychics, and dimensions.
     
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    The Emperor's Throneroom spire was on the north pole of DS2 in ROTJ, yet its on the equator in TROS....
     
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    Informative, but this little "mistakes" never bothered me.

    I really enjoyed the DS II wreckage in TROS, the scenes there were the coolest and beautiful of the entire movie.
     
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    Not bad but in the end I enjoyed the duel itself and that's it. Rey and Kylo fought in the same place where Luke and Vader did in the past.(duel) I lked that and I didn't care too much about the surroundings.:p:D
     
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    For me, pretty much the entire ST doesn’t quite “match up” with the first six movies...

    But having said that, do we know for sure when the wayfinder was placed there? I thought maybe it was added to the wreckage after it crashed. Palpatine seems like he was the first one to find a way to communicate the location of Exogol to the living, which had previously only been accessible by Siths after death. I thought maybe Palpatine had a hand in influencing someone to send out clues about his location. I could be wrong.

    I know the dagger and wayfinder seem like ancient artifacts, but the absolute earliest they could have been set up would have been around ROTJ, since they involve the DS2.
     
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    simple explanation: they used the force(?)
     
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    <Han Solo>That's not how the force works!</Han Solo>

    I can't tell if you're joking or not so I'll answer it seriously. If they were using the force to keep themselves upright, then they were also keeping all the debris around them on the same plain as them and even made the water leaking down on them fall from their localized version of up. If the spire really was at the angle we saw when Rey held the dagger up then all of that debris should have slid down long before they arrived.

    I'm also curious as to how the secret door knew to open and how it had power to do so. (emperor)
     
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    I would recommend that people not let this kind of stuff bother them because it is a live action cartoon. Let it go.
     
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    • Anakin's lightsaber is different in ROTS, ANH, and ESB.
    • Tantiive 4 is different in R1 and ANH.
    • Yoda has either 4 or 5 toes. It varies from film to film.
    • Blaster colours change depending on who has the weapon at the time etc.
    Don't go looking for consistency in Star Wars, it's been doing this for decades.
     
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    I'd like to hear about the difference in the Tantive IV and the blaster color change.
     
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    The most egregious example for the blaster colour change would be in The Clone Wars, when a clone picks up a droid blaster (which fires red bolts) and starts firing blue shots. It was said by someone on the team that the different colours are just to differentiate between who the goodies and baddies are, they're not really concerned with consistency regarding this.

    With regards to the Tantiive IV in Rogue One, it's accurate but not screen accurate. Like at a quick glance they would appear the same, but upon closer inspection certain details on the wall and stuff don't line up.
     
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    Gotcha. I thought they might be more egregious issues.
     
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    I think this one actually has a pretty simple explanation. I think the whole space there is more of a mystical/Force space. It all struck me as very otherworldly. It's where Rey meets Dark Rey. I think it's more like the Dagobah tree than an actual compartment on the ship.
     
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    The cave on Dagobah was a real cave. Luke saw a vision there but I didn't see anything to imply that the cave was smaller than it really was or somehow wasn't even there at all. Have we seen any other examples of mystical force space? As far as I can tell the wayfinder room is just a room. It's odd that all of the shots in it are sort of obstructed and we don't get a good look around the room, but I'm guessing that's a time/money saving thing.

    I just watched the scene again and not only does the room contradict ROTJ, it contradicts TROS. When Rey climbs up into the throne room the camera moves in such a way that you can see outside. It certainly looks like the wayfinder room isn't there.
     
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    I can headcanon most of this stuff pretty easily.

    The throne room was gyroscopic. Done!
     
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    Yes?
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    And...
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    And...

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    And also arguably Rey's vision since it seemed that it may have been given to her in first person, not to mention the wonkiness of physical space changes with the dyad.
     
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    Also, apparently, there was another wayfinder hidden up Finn's nose. They should have checked there first :D
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