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The Falcon has TWO turrets: or dumb stuff that bugs you

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Chairman Kaga, Nov 6, 2018.

  1. Chairman Kaga

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    This just bugs me. The Falcon has two gun turrets. Yet in both The Force Awakens and Solo, when the turret being used is damaged, they're like, "O noes, we haz no gunz!"
    Just go to the second turret.
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    So, what relatively minor things in Star Wars just irritate you for no real reason other than you think they're dumb, lazy, horrible errors in judgment on the part of the writer or director? And don't say "All of The Last Jedi."
     
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    I am getting tired of something and I hope they won't use this again, not in IX, please!!! Our heroes are the masters of disguise!!

    This (ANH):

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    This (ROTJ):

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    This (TPM):

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    This (RO):

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    This (TLJ):

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    OK, speaking of the Falcon's gun turrets.....this has always bugged me.....the suspension of gravity when climbing or descending the ladder and then getting into the seat to fire the gun.

    The ladders to access the guns go up, and down.....then they hop into the seat, which directly faces out of the window with the gun placed there. These windows face directly up and down.....you have to suspend your understanding of gravity when watching them do this.....drives me crazy....
     
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    Coruscant firemen have no blue sparking lights on their trucks.


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    Now I finally understand what took me out of the movie
     
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    Yep this bugged me a bit too, not enough to spoil my enjoyment of TFA.

    I get like that when watching films, like when some one is shooting at a fleeing car and I shout at the screen "shoot the tyres". They never do though.
     
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    But it's poetry! It rhymes!!

    ...and you missed out this (Solo):

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    Hahaha..probably because I just watched Solo once.
     
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    I hope for you that Duo will soon be released, you'll be able to watch it twice.
     
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    I know I read somewhere over the years that the turrets are in altered gravity so the gunner can sit in a natural position with a clear view out the turret ports. I'm sure it was an old novel or "Art Of" book years and years ago, because it's been long enough ago that I don't even question it anymore.
    But it DID bug me when Finn didn't just climb up into the top turret, or at least give us a joke as to why the top cannon was missing. Like, just replace it with a shower head or a toilet or something (bathrooms literally don't exist in Star Wars). That's just lazy writing.

    "Just repeat to yourself "It's just a show, I should really just relax..."
     
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    LOL @Chairman Kaga great post! Yes bathrooms go onto the long list of SW anachronisms....Along with no Newtonian time dilation, storing vital data in a 1,000 foot tall CD tower, and of course, stormtrooper aim......
     
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    Absolutely nothing in this regard ever bothered me in Star Wars.

    I never once watched Star Wars in any other way than as if I was reading a Gospel from the Christian's Bible.

    You CAN watch/read it with a realistic critical eye, and if you do that...well...the ENTIRE story falls apart VERY rapidly as A) highly unlikely and B) utter and complete horse ----- because the actuality of the content doesn't line up with basic logic, physics, logistics, etc....pick your subject.

    But that's just not the point of either one of these things.
    Both deliver their stories in the way that they do for a symbolic, emotional, and metaphorical purpose.

    If I watched Star Wars in this manner, I'd never get past the first 5 minutes of A New Hope before I'd have to turn the film off.

    Cheers,
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    Well, I think there's a healthy suspension of disbelief necessary to enjoy Star Wars, from the way the ships behave to the way they're able to travel across an entire galaxy at "light speed" to the physics of lightsabers. All of that is fine. That's how the Star Wars universe behaves. I don't just accept that, but I embrace it because all of those things make the movies what they are.

    What I'm specifically referring to are logic faults, or even errors, which are a totally different can of worms. Star Wars doesn't have many because Lucas was, aside from the enormity of his imagination, a freaking meticulous editor. Technically speaking he is a titan of film editing. The guy's work on The Godfather? Read about that. And I also think his "brusque" directorial style is an outcropping of his eye as an editor. He knew how it would go and he didn't need anything extraneous.

    My point is the top turret error is something that most fans would notice. The Falcon has TWO gun emplacements. We know this because we've seen A New Hope. You see? Something is there. It's a prominent element of one of the most memorable scenes in the original film. Yet when we revisit it, suddenly it's not in play, and seemingly to facilitate a "really cool shot" where Finn has to rely solely on Rey's Force-fueled piloting to save them. Great! I loved that! But as a writer/filmmaker you can't ignore established reality. At least not without really riling up pedantic fans! There are guns up there so why doesn't Finn try to use them? Five seconds of dialogue or action could answer that question. Tighten it up so no air escapes.

    Look. It doesn't ruin anything. It just diminishes my enjoyment because for a few moments I'm taken out of the film and am wondering what happened to the turret Han used in A New Hope.
     
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    "Gunner position is down there." Made me automatically assume that the upper gun was not functional since she used the singular denoting one gunner position as well as the direction down to denote which gun that she wanted him to help from. She clearly had knowledge of the Falcon's current functional state, so she'd likely know that it wasn't functional, hence the direction.

    That aside...

    That's crazy, don't go into these films like that. Of all the nit-picky things that can be said about all of these movies, this is a very minor nit to pick.
     
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    I completely disagree that the films are logically sound, which is why I specifically mentioned that as a means of error with which they must be excused because that's not why these stories do what they do when they do.

    As I said, I would have to turn off ANH within the first 5 minutes of the film if I watched them this way.
    Here's a logical "what the f---" on page, what is it...5, 6? Hold on, let me check...yeah, page 6.
    Remember this bit?

    "There goes another one."
    "Hold your fire. There are no life forms. It must have been shortcircuited."

    What the hell? Why? Is there a shortage of laser fire available? Who gives a damn, just blow it up just to be sure anyway.
    It literally makes absolutely no sense to hold fire just because it seems like junk...obviously they've been firing at escape hatches otherwise they wouldn't have said, "There goes another one", or "Hold your fire", so it's not like anyone would be alarmed that they were firing at yet another escape pod, so .... ammunition levels isn't a problem, and erroneously raising the state of emergency isn't a problem....why exactly aren't we firing at this thing?

    I mean...who cares WHAT the escape pod has or doesn't have in it. The entire basis for blowing this up was whether it has people on board?
    That's insanity, considering everyone would know that they were after this ship because the plans are aboard this ship, and the plans are hardly biological.

    So, why would you not assume that someone could just slap the disc (or whatever) into an escape pod and hit the launch button?
    In fact, that's exactly what Vader does assume right off when he's told about it.

    So...his hired professional help are idiotic morons? Because that's what it would take to be aware that you're going after a ship with a stolen copy of the Death Star plans on board, you have a nearly infinite limit of laser fire available, and you choose to not shoot at an escape pod simply because it doesn't have any biological life registering on board.

    And that's not including he idiocy of this decision that goes beyond reasonable logic in a universe where droids exist.

    Droids are all over the place. They're about as prevalent in Star Wars, especially A New Hope, about as much as we have tissue boxes and paper towel dispensers...probably more than that, actually.

    So let's walk that back again...so, in a universe where laser ammunition doesn't seem to be a problem, where the emergency state isn't a problem when you fire a laser in this moment, where discs can be put just about anywhere, and where droids exist abundantly as non-biological life forms, we're not going to fire on an escape pod that is jettisoning from the seized ship of betrayers because..."There are no life forms"?

    What damn sense does that logically make?
    None.

    It's not just stupid, because that would be fine...it's nonsensical to believe anyone would actually think that way in this universe given what we have been shown of it so far.



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    But, let's go further.
    Logical issues are plenty in ANH. Here's just a few more off the top of my head just in ANH.

    • Luke still has the last name Skywalker even though he's supposed to be hidden from his Father. And keep in mind, Owen is BEN's brother. So...you plopped him with Ben's brother...well...no, because later we're told that's not Ben's brother, it's Anakin's step-brother, and this was all a mixup through Force visions and Ben just felt a kinship to Owen because of all the visions and so continued to call him "brother" anyway.... ... ...sure. Look regardless of which way that goes, this is the most illogical decision made in the entire story in so many ways, and every way possible that attempts to explain it just made it worse.
    • Ben lives a hop away from Luke. Either he's the stupidest man ever, or Vader is... because obviously Vader would be able to sense him there, and easily by proxy his son thereafter...even if he doesn't sense his son, the name is floating around the area.
    • After watching the Prequels, when you come back to watch ANH, it suddenly makes no logical sense what-so-ever that Vader would have NEVER GONE TO TATOOINE EVER AGAIN IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE...EVER....you know to say...I don't know, remove all of the slavery and crap that he despised SO much while growing up there? No? Luke just got to grow up scot free on his Dad's home world and his Dad never thought once to visit home and fix it like he said he would and therefore accidentally notice a family of Skywalker hanging around? No? Cool, cool....go on.
    • Luke seems to care more about Ben dying than his own family. Yeah, totally makes sense.
    • Luke trains to swing a lightsaber using the Force for a few minutes and...shoots a torpedo using the force to save the day. Sure, that checks out.
    • Ben quite clearly tells Vader that if he is stricken down he will become more powerful than he could imagine, then overtly lets himself be killed, and then....doesn't ever do anything more powerful than anything Vader ever likely could imagine...I'm pretty sure that Vader could imagine a ghost talking to people about how they lied about stuff and whispering into people's heads that they should use the Force. That's not very...sure...yeah...makes perfect logical sense.

    There's bunches more in there.
    Especially towards the end.

    Then there's the other two films, which are filled with even more.
    Like, here's a lovely one.

    LUKE
    Leia... do you remember your mother? Your real mother?

    LEIA
    Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.​

    Really?
    How?

    How does that neurologically make any logical sense what so ever?
    Her mom died giving birth.
    It is physiologically impossible to have memory recall of that moment, regardless of magic.

    "She died when I was young."

    Yeah, no kidding, it doesn't get any younger.


    The point is that there are a TON of logical flaws all through these films.
    It's not about just physics; that's why I didn't just mention physics, but also mentioned logic when I wrote, "because the actuality of the content doesn't line up with basic logic, physics, logistics, etc....pick your subject."


    And the one you're referring to in TFA actually has one of the easiest explanations/excuses of all of the logical gaps.
    Keep in mind, I don't care about this, and I don't think this is needed, but it seemed to be that um...well...Rey was driving like a friggen nutter crazy person at that moment and I don't know about you, but that's about the LAST kind of moment that I would be interested in hopping up out of my seatbelt and trying to climb out of one gunnery position, back into the open area, and up into the other gunnery position.
    The amount of time it would take to get from one to the other would actually likely have been longer than the maneuver Rey pulls off to line up the Tie Fighter into Finn's sites...so...it's not actually a problem unless we want to say, oh hey...Rey should have slowed down, while being chased by a Tie Fighter which was actively shooting at them, so that Finn could switch positions.

    And again, keep in mind...I don't even think this explanation is actually needed because this isn't how Star Wars works.

    Why did Finn's gun stop working?
    Because Finn can't save the day without first learning to rely on others.
    Why does Rey pull a super crazy impossible move to line the shot up for Finn, to Finn's shock?
    Because Rey needs to learn that her greatest power comes when helping others.


    That is the "logic" of the scene.
    Everything else is nonsense in comparison to that, and doesn't convey that metaphor.

    Cheers,
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    *sigh* ... as I'm sure you well know, they were aiming to miss. As Leia said, "They let us go. It's the only explanation for the ease of our escape."
     
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    Something that really bugs me is that Han’s last name is a LIE. How can he be “Solo”, when he always has Chewbacca at his side!? That is just such lazy writing. :mad:

     
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    Ok I can accept that maybe Han and Luke managed to fit their clothes under their stormtrooper uniforms for when they change back after the garbage masher scene... but what about their original shoes? They couldn't have been wearing those inside their snug little white Chelsea boots.
     
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    The one turrent thing did bug me a tiny bit in the force awakens.

    The fact that none of the turrents were used in Empire or ROTJ didn't bug me at all(at least I can't rember them being used).

    Little things tend to bug you more the more you dislike a film.
     
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