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The Falcon has TWO turrets: or dumb stuff that bugs you

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Chairman Kaga, Nov 6, 2018.

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    Or an even simpler explanation: Finn doesn't know the Falcon, but - being a former stormtrooper - must be adept at following orders. So he never thinks to check around for other turrets because the pilot said "it's down there".

    About stormtrooper aim, a while back I read something interesting about how it's easier to shoot at something "faceless", like a stormtrooper, then it is at shooting at something human, or relatable. Here it is.


    Anyhoo, as @Jayson said, if you're gonna nitpick, these films fall apart after minutes. It's a space fantasy, some rules don't apply.


    Lastly, about not shooting at the escape pod:

     
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    When Jabba's barge floats above Tatooine sands, and not a single grain of sand is triggered by the move, nor flies...

    I'm reasonnably questionning Anakin's former statement : "sand is rough and coarse and it gets everywhere". As sand is obviously moveless, it cannot get everywhere.
     
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    The battle of Yavin... why do they have to fly along the trench to fire down a hole that's flat on the ground? Why can't they fire by flying straight down towards it like Han effectively does at the end? The computer generated plans suggest it's in the wall at the end of the trench facing them, which would make sense on the trajectory they use, the fact that it's a large drain on the floor seems to make no sense whatsoever from the angle they're attacking or even how the torpedo is meant to go in.

    And on that front, why do they let 3 rebel ships fly down the trench undefended from behind as TIE fighters pick them off: why didn't a second group of rebels join the trench *after* the TIEs enter and take them out from behind instead?
     
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    Why didn't the Snowspeeders fly out even just slightly to the sides of the walkers in a pincer manoeuvre and then just attack them from behind... instead of flying out into crossfire (to quote Luke himself) and a barrage of head-on laser blasts? Imperial walkers are slow and lumbering with poor turning ability to the head, they wouldn't be able to do anything about a rear attack. And the pilots would all not be dead.

    Not to mention the impracticality of even having walkers when wheels, caterpillar treads and hover tech all exist in this universe...

    But that's why we all love Star Wars vehicles; if it looks cool and sounds cool, it doesn't matter if it's ridiculous haha.
     
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    Is there no security cameras in the SW universe? I seen plenty of times in the movies and in cartoons where a character or group of characters are sneaking around in an unauthorized area only worry about not getting spotted by the staff. Do places not have security cameras?

    Also, one thing that always bothered me about KOTOR. The story is set 1000+ years before the events of the OT but yet the tech is exactly the same from the OT. Did the Galaxy Far Far Away hit a plateau where tech has became stagnant? Even with a millennium between events?
     
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    What also bugs me is that when they are loading themselves into a turret, it looks like they are climbing up and down, but it is really side to side (?) it has always confused me
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    What get me is the fact that fires at the exhaust port and then it takes the exact amount of time for everybody to escape before the Death Star explodes. Also the shots curve at the end so why not just shot it from the outside instead of a tiny little trench.
     
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    Yeah I wondered that for years as a kid. But I guess it has something to do with the artificial gravity on the Falcon? It gets reversed in a way that....I dunno. lololol


    Also, speaking of turrets:
     

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    What bugs me more about that is that so many people moan about the sequel trilogy having the same tech after 30 years, but the beloved EU franchise of KOTOR was fine to do the same with thousands of years of difference. Yet in our own real world there's plenty of technology that looks very similar after 30 years - passenger planes, aircraft carriers, jet fighters, tanks... hell even quite specifically a Porsche 911 looks fundamentally identical nowadays to how it did in the 80s, certainly only as equally different as the T-70 and T-60 X Wings are from one another.
     
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    I always thought the turret access was up and down, isn't this shown in ANH?
     
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    what I always thought at this moment is certainly Leia will answer:
    LEIA - But... how do you know my current mother is not my real one ?



    They were all destroyed by the Jedi after the "security holograms affair".




    Well, there is something more that bugs me from ANH to ROTJ. It's all about Luke's issues and questionning about his kinship.
    When we first meet him, Luke has already spent around 19 years on Tatooine, with uncle and aunt, he does not wear the same name than them : we can so safely assume Luke perfectly knows Owen and Beru are not his biological parents.
    Then Luke meets Ben, and Ben instructs him about his father. And Luke shows himself very interested in his father's history: "how did my father die ? who was he ?". During the whole OT we do not stop learning about Luke's father : his past, his former name, where he came from, what he became, who was his mentor, that he had piloting abilities even when he was young...
    All 3 movies long, Luke will deal with that father...
    .. and never gets concerned by his mother. ooo.gif
    Not a single word, never a single question, neither to Ben, nor to Vader, hardly a subtle glimpse when he asks Leia about her real mother, because at this time we (= the audience) know Leia's mother is also Luke's one. It's all.
    At the end of RotJ, we (the audience) do not know a single fact about Luke's mother, supposed Vader's former wife: who was she, what was his name, where was she from, when and why did she die, how Vader/Anakin did meet her, nothing. It's... strange.
     
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    Wasn't that just for the Jedi Temple? I'm talking about The Death Star, Death Star 2 shield bunker, Starkiller Base, etc.
     
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    My answer was just a joke. It messed up badly. :(
     
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    My head is literally spinning.
     
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    Why throughout the entire franchise have they shied away from showing us Alderaan?

    The prequels should have been set there instead of Naboo. It didn’t even need redesigning, just rename it during the final draft of the script and it would all make far more logistical and emotional sense.

    The Clone Wars, Rebels, Rogue One and Solo have all additionally had prequel opportunities for us to finally feel some attachment to the place before it’s blown up in ANH. But nope, all we’ve ever got is one 20 second scene on a bench at the end of ROTS.

    Why are Lucasfilm so adverse to letting us feel something for the place? After over 40 years we still hardly know anything about it even though it was the first planet ever named on screen in the franchise.

    Baffles me!
     
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    It always bugged me that Rey and Finn pressed the wrong button to activate the lightsaber in TFA.
     
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    Dang, I never notice that before.
     
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    I'm pretty sure this was a reason why I've had such a hard time to like the PT. I mean, the information is all there to check and re-check for inconsistencies, you wouldn't think it would be that hard. They pooched on a lot of little details that I was interested in seeing play out, that I had fantasized about for 20 years or so, then her mother died at birth...what? lol.

    I always thought that unforgiveable about the PT, the lack of attention to every little detail lol. It's like I assumed everyone else had been as obsessed about every little details as I'd been for the past couple decades and hundreds of viewings. There were other issues (lack of chemistry between Anakin and Padme, and Anakin's story feeling rushed somehow) for sure, but getting those little details right would have done so much for me. To me, those seem to be needless mistakes, when they're clearly mistakes.

    Years after the PT I've cut it some slack and some people have come up with enough roundabout explanations for them to fall in the same category as Han's use (misuse until fixed) of parsecs.

    Now a lot of the little things don't bother me as much, especially if there's an easy enough explanation. Like the MF's missing turret. I noted it, but immediately landed on the conclusion that Han or Plutt had it removed. It wasn't enough to pull me out of the experience, in actuality, to me it made the world feel more lived in, fluid. Han's a tinkerer and would be constantly upgrading the ship. For Plutt, like any owner of a new toy and classic, they'd want to make it their own. I actually enjoyed the omission.

    I guess I hold SW to a high standard (not to say anyone else holds it to a low one). They have such a big budget, they should have people on that, heck, I'd do it for free just to know the script ahead of time lol. It bewilders me that they missed those kinds of things in the PT, or that the story couldn't be adapted to make it work. I kind of accept it along with the other mistakes with the supposition that GL was a bit of a control freak on that one and probably surrounded himself with more "yes men" then he had for the OT (where he also had less of a budget). In the ST and beyond, I don't see how those mistakes should persist, but on the bright side, if history repeats itself, in that way I can expect the ST to improve as fans and future material addresses those details that bug me lol.

    Edit: Also, yes, I get it, those are not the important parts of the story. I think what SW will always struggle with are the fans who are more sci-fi than fantasy, or go into it with their sci-fi glasses on due to things happening in space. It's not that we don't see the other more poetic story, it's that we expect it all to be on the same level. Give us a perfect product, because with those kinds of budgets, some of these mistakes just shouldn't happen, because if I can pick up that Leia met her mom and now she's dead as I'm sitting in theaters, there's a problem because I'm not being paid to notice these things lol.
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    I always found Chewies thinking with his stomach part annoying lol. I would have thought out of Chewie, Han and Luke, Chewie would have been the most knowledgeable of those kinds of traps. Maybe that's speciesest of me lol, but Luke living in a desert would not have known much about forests, and Han being a fly boy was probably a city kid, tenderfoot type. Maybe I just have a soft spot for Chewie lol.
     
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    The way I treat it is...well...how Lucas seems to treat it; like The Gospels of the Skywalkers.

    OT: "Four Gospels" (Matt, Mark, Luke, John)
    PT: Gospel of Thomas (apocryphal)
    ST: Acts of the Apostles

    That is: OT is the main story, PT is the backstory, Acts is the aftermath.

    Aaaand none of them coordinate exactly with each other.

    They do in broad strokes, but in fine detail everything is a giant mess.

    I enjoy imagining that each trilogy is written by a different culture, for a different culture, and focuses on what that culture cares about.

    Like: it's fun to imagine these as thousands of years old and no one knows who wrote them - most don't even think Luke ever really existed, but lots of people like him did-ish, and the stories summarize a severe sociopolitical time and the values of the writing culture of the content time.

    Meaning, when we see the values in the OT and things that happen are done that way because a culture in the Star Wars universe wrote them that way.

    Same for the PT and ST. Each had a different culture write them for their own purposes.

    In this way, it's fine that the OT refers to an older mother, while the PT has her die at childbirth.

    This would mean the PT author culture valued a childbirth death of the sacred mother for _______ reason. Say, ultimate sacrifice and a poetic counter balance to the creative force of the greatest evil out of the greatest good - anakin; the greatest cost (death) gives the greatest gift of good (the twins) are the gain. One goes up to down, while the other goes down to up.

    The twins, further, across all, are a constant of the religion: the mortal and supermortal worlds.
    Every trilogy has a mortal discussion, and a supermortal discussion, and the twins represent this...society/ethics: Leia, personal/morality: Luke.

    Cheers,
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