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The Force Awakens - "The Worst Movie Of All Time" (Video Review)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by SKB, Dec 15, 2016.

  1. Cole

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    It shouldn't be much of a mystery. Some people like to see/hear others opinions on things. Maybe it's good to see other points of view.
     
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    Aaaaahhh....for discussion purposes?
    Thats different then. And legitimate...not sure if it was the case there, tho :)
     
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    I wonder what in Star Wars made you a fan because everything you ever put on this cantina is negative about the saga ?

    Just asking ?
     
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    No worst movie of all time was Garbage Pail Kids. I actually liked it, a little.
     
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    Not true. I love the OT. They were the first and the best.

    But I do hate the Disney-era Star Wars with a passion, as it has turned it into recycled garbage only fit for dumb brainwashed feminazis and millennials.
     
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    And so you're on a mission to make people hate it too ?

    Nice feelings to share.
     
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    The question is very simple. To everyone believing TFA is "the worst movie ever" for some reason, I would ask them:

    1) How much are you disposed to take seriously a movie with a robo-ball and a human-sized bear/monkie with a bowcaster in? Nowadays we're used to see any kind of absurdity in a movie, from space ships to a green giant fighting a space worm from another dimension, but somehow seeing a woman beat the main villain is the most absurd thing in the world, according to someone. If you consider a movie like TFA "the worst ever", you clearly take it very seriously.

    2) Speaking about women: I haven't read a decent critic about Rey so far. The majority of who didn't like her thinks she's a sort of feminist manifesto KK forced to put for some reason in the movie. Maybe she has been rewarded by the jewish reptilian feminist clan that secretly rules the world. Anyway, it's clear that someone is really pissed off by Rey, like it never happened to a woman to be the main lead of a movie. And don't say that her arc is forced: first, try to find a logic in the entire Force stuff; second, think about how conveniently Lucas used the whole "Palpatine is confusing the Jedi with the dark side" thing in the prequels; third, find out if it's more credible to see a huge galactic complot made possible by a vague "clouding act" by a villain who leaves behind him more clues than the black plague, than to see a young woman, already powered, beating a weak, half trained and wounded Sith-or-something. Take note that, while the prequels don't provide any kind of explanation about why the Jedi don't discover Palpatine's plot, TFA spends two hours building both Rey's and Kylo's arc, and expecially explaining Kylo's weakness.

    3) The whole "originality" question is more an excuse than something serious. Ok, TFA is very very close to ANH, but JJ didn't fool anyone, in fact the references are clear and offered to the fans quite honestly. Do you really think JJ, or KK were so stupid to put a third DS in the movie thinking nobody would have noticed it? Anyway... the entire originality question is indeed the weak point of TFA, I won't deny it. But, before bashing TFA for being unoriginal, you have to demonstrate us to really care about originality. The fact that you usually run to see Avengers 24, or Spiderman reboot #3, or Tetris the movie, or Assassin's Creed porn with tentacles, makes you pretty unreliable when you attack Abrams calling him a "recycler of garbage". I repeat, the fact that Hollywood itself is not original at all doesn't make TFA less unoriginal, but cinema nowadays is stucked around the same genres or thematics even because you don't really care about originality at all. So, learn to appreciate the good little things an unoriginal film can offer (and TFA is fullfilled of "good little things", starting from something very very small like acting) than to go in total rage when Santa Claus doesn't bring you the exact present you asked.

    That's all, good night from an italian SW fan (it's pretty late here)!
     
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    With the whole originality complaint, my response is, that the Original Trilogy was not all that original. Especially everyone's favorite movie TESB. That movie was a complete rehash of the 1940 serial Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe. Flash foils another one of Emperor Ming's plans. In response Ming orderes a bounty on his head, however he wants him alive. Flash hides out on an ice planet called Fragia. Eventually Ming's men find him, however since it is so cold they send robots called walking bombs (which is a cross between a probe droid and a walker). Flash says thats not one of ours (sound familiar?) Eventually they capture the princess, in order to lure both Flash and Professor Zarkof. Emperor Ming wants Professor Zarkof for his "abilities", in order to build his next weapon. So I mean come on lay off the rehash claim that claim in itself is just a rehash.
     
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    Yep. Lucas was so heavily influenced from Flash Gordon, Buck Rodgers and old Samurai movies, that it can even be a stretch to call Star Wars truly original in and of itself.

    Hell, starting with ESB it borrows so heavily from ANH that some early reviews decried it did nothing new to stand apart from ANH and called it a rehash.
    It's impossible to have Star Wars (in the saga films) not borrow heavily and rely on preset points. It IS Star Wars to do that.
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    You are seriously overrating the originality of any post ANH movies.
     
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    Yup watch hidden fortress. The two peasents are r2 and 3po. The General is Kenobi and the Dark General is Vader. Who ends up redeeming himself in the end
    In buck rodgers wilma says what a desolate place this is, after crashing on a desert planet while being chased by the empire. Sounds familiar. The whole time The Empire is looking for the rebel secret base. Yeah real original. ROTJ is probably the most original and that is everyones least favorite.
     
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    I don't know if it's nostalgia goggles or what, but people really dont want to see this trend.
     
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    Even the screen wipes came from Hidden Fortress. I'm not trying say GL and Star Wars is a hack. People need to understand the whole picture before claiming TFA is a rehash.
     
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    Exactly. There's a limited number of actual stories to tell on screen, it's just about how you tell them.

    Star Wars was an innovative way to tell the story, the first time. Then it just became "the Star Wars way". But if you get too far from it, it isn't Star Wars anymore.
     
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    Hell I just remembered Buck Rogers and his little friend Billy, disguised themselves as Imperial troops to infiltrate the Imperial palace. I mean, come on! Also Hidden Fortress had a checkpoint scene similar to the one on Mos Eisley. Instead of using mind tricks he just flat lied.

    I wouldn't have it any other way. The prequels had just as many similarities to the OT if you are willing to look for it. These pessimists are just looking for anything they can to complain.
     
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    Agreed. Maybe it's because the PT had enough technical flaws from a storytelling, direction and writing standpoint most didn't get to dig that deep.
     
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    Many people don't understand that somehow the magic of the OT would never been the same and the major reason is that we are all 30 years older !!!!

    And you don't watch a movie at 10 like you watch a movie at 40.
     
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    I'm positive that who don't loke TFA because of originality just means that there aren't new ships designs, and nothing more. Actually, TFA started some "original" subplot, like Finn's, and built some "original" character, like Ren. As you said, there's a limitate bunch of stories you can tell while remaining in the SW vibe. TPM is a "rehash" of ANH the same way TFA is, but the aesthetics kept it more distant from the model.
     
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    I've had people tell me TFA was the same story as ANH. Yeah there are similarities, but that is intentional.
     
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    It's a "new" story with some common point with ANH. TPM was exactly the same, but worse because of the ridiculous writing.
     
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    Im just sayin thats what some people are sayin. I dont agree with them.
     
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